Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:51     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.


Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?


Well, Cornell isn't better than Vandy for starters.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:44     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.


Perhaps, you have your own definition of a regional school. USNEWS, as one ranking organization example, has a separate list for regional schools. 34% of Cornell’s class comes from NY. Does that make it a regional school?
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:10     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.


Nope! Wrong! National university.

Regional Universities offer a full range of undergraduate programs and some master's programs but few doctoral programs. Regional Universities include Emerson College, University of Mary Washington, Butler University and Mills College. These rankings are split into four regions: North, South, Midwest and West.

https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/rankings/regional-universities#:
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:07     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Ahh, another thread where people shit on good schools to make themselves feel better.

The only reason I can think that people do this is low self esteem - or that their own lives must suck in some way.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:04     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
The other way around is probably William and Mary in Virginia. The school has seen falling applications, drops in rankings, etc. but is still perceived as very prestigious by older individuals.

Miami of Ohio and University of Vermont followed the same trajectory, only a generation earlier. At some point time catches up and colleges can't rely on historic perceptions to recruit students when they have nothing else to show for it.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 12:00     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


But it was and still is a regional school though. It's the top school in its region, but to say its not a regional school is inaccurate.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:55     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


PP. Over the past 30 years, Vanderbilt’s ranking has risen to 15 from 25. This is not a “smoke and mirrors” move. The quality of the students, faculty, and physical infrastructure has soared over this period. If your kid is interested in the school, consider the school’s new residential colleges.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:51     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.


+1

Excellent point. Some posters are stuck in the 1970's.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:50     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Well, UVA took 918 students in from the waitlist last year. I don’t know where there would data from all of the T30s but you can certainly look for some CDS online. It can be illuminating.


All colleges took hundreds of students from their waitlist last year, due to all of the C19 deferrals.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:45     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Well, UVA took 918 students in from the waitlist last year. I don’t know where there would data from all of the T30s but you can certainly look for some CDS online. It can be illuminating.


Uh...last year was a huge anomaly. Try being fair and post the waitlist numbers for the past 5 or 10 years.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:41     Subject: Re:Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Shit even Vandy was considered a regional school 25-30 years ago.


I attended Vanderbilt in the late 1980’s. At that time, it was ranked 25th on the USNEWS national university list. Every school, even the very best, has a strong regional pull, but that doesn’t make it a regional school.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:40     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Well, UVA took 918 students in from the waitlist last year. I don’t know where there would data from all of the T30s but you can certainly look for some CDS online. It can be illuminating.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:33     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:Except those entering college in Fall of 2020 - they were given huge gifts of one, two or more places ahead of what they would have been during a "normal" year. SO many kids deferred, that opened up tons of spaces.


I am not claiming this is untrue, but I would like to know where the data supporting this statement is.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:29     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:OP, I was just thinking that this morning.

Seems like people should take into account the trickle down of good students. As the number of applicants to top schools has increased while the number of spots has remained constant, kids that in the past would have gotten into Ivies are now going one tier down. The second tier kids are now going third tier and on and on. There are plenty of smart kids at all of the top 100 schools so we need to rethink how we perceive certain schools.
Something that I remember hearing back when I was touring colleges - schools that are in good locations attract good professors. So even if you may think Northeastern isn't so great, Boston can attract good profs.



+1

Except those entering college in Fall of 2020 - they were given huge gifts of one, two or more places ahead of what they would have been during a "normal" year. SO many kids deferred, that opened up tons of spaces.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 11:28     Subject: Outcomes - Prestige and Perceptions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, NYU and Northeastern have remade themselves and get bashed all the time, as if they should “know their place.” Vanderbilt to some extent, too.


northeastern is the one that I still view as the Boston area safety/commuter school even though that's changed


I don't think that perception will change too much anytime soon since its overwhelming reputation is a school that's gamed the rankings. Even high schoolers roast the school.