Anonymous
Post 04/15/2021 12:24     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Show me where in this thread it says that the teacher did not provide an answer to the question. I'll wait....




Show me where it says the teacher provided an answer to the question.
Original post: My MS child told me that he asked to do math on paper instead of the ipad and the teacher refused the request, said all work needs to be done on the ipad.. WHY?? What is wrong with a child trying to actually do the work on paper and take a pic/upload to the ipad? What is wrong with this!?!??!
-WMS parent.


This does not show that the teacher did not provide an answer. We don't know from this whether the student asked why or not.
Anonymous
Post 04/15/2021 07:46     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.


Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.


Exhibit A of snowplow parenting, right here.


Why is it so unreasonable for a teacher to explain to the student why they are saying no to their question/request?


LOL, the only reason you want an explanation is so you can argue the point, and the teacher knows it.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2021 15:00     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
OMG. A student asking if they can do an assignment on paper is hardly disrespectful or questioning every little thing they're asked to do. There's no indication that the child in the OP continued to be defiant, engage in an argument, or otherwise was in any way disrespectful. The parent merely asked why the child can't do math on paper! A good teacher would know that when a student understands the rationale, they're more likely to accept and follow. When they understand the rationale, they better understand the concept being taught and are better able to apply and move forward. Even a mediocre teacher should figure out that IF a student is being disrespectful (ie, arguing or refusing to comply), that explaining why is highly likely to end the dispute. So again, what's wrong with expecting the teacher to provide a reason? Asking "why" is not disrespectful. If a teacher (or parent) really doesn't want kids to question things, THAT's doing them a disservice for their futures lives.


Show me where in this thread it says that the teacher did not provide an answer to the question. I'll wait....



Show me where it says the teacher provided an answer to the question.
Original post: My MS child told me that he asked to do math on paper instead of the ipad and the teacher refused the request, said all work needs to be done on the ipad.. WHY?? What is wrong with a child trying to actually do the work on paper and take a pic/upload to the ipad? What is wrong with this!?!??!
-WMS parent.

Anonymous
Post 04/14/2021 12:42     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

OMG. A student asking if they can do an assignment on paper is hardly disrespectful or questioning every little thing they're asked to do. There's no indication that the child in the OP continued to be defiant, engage in an argument, or otherwise was in any way disrespectful. The parent merely asked why the child can't do math on paper! A good teacher would know that when a student understands the rationale, they're more likely to accept and follow. When they understand the rationale, they better understand the concept being taught and are better able to apply and move forward. Even a mediocre teacher should figure out that IF a student is being disrespectful (ie, arguing or refusing to comply), that explaining why is highly likely to end the dispute. So again, what's wrong with expecting the teacher to provide a reason? Asking "why" is not disrespectful. If a teacher (or parent) really doesn't want kids to question things, THAT's doing them a disservice for their futures lives.


Show me where in this thread it says that the teacher did not provide an answer to the question. I'll wait....
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2021 12:39     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When my kid started back in hybrid, her teacher said she wouldn't be doing anything on paper because it was unsafe and there was no way to disinfect papers. As far as I know she's still doing all her elementary work on Seesaw. No paper. It's possible that your kid's teacher feels the same way.


That sounds odd. Why do you need to disinfect paper? If that was even an issue (which it isnt'), the kids would take a pic on the iPad. Anyhow, my kids in ES and MS are both doing work on paper. My MS kid is loving her art class, as they are drawing on paper along with the kids at home. She has notebooks full of notes from in person class. My ES kid has come home with rough drafts, poems, and all sorts of things on paper. It's been great.

Irrational fear of COVID is still common.
Anonymous
Post 04/14/2021 12:37     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

OMG. A student asking if they can do an assignment on paper is hardly disrespectful or questioning every little thing they're asked to do. There's no indication that the child in the OP continued to be defiant, engage in an argument, or otherwise was in any way disrespectful. The parent merely asked why the child can't do math on paper! A good teacher would know that when a student understands the rationale, they're more likely to accept and follow. When they understand the rationale, they better understand the concept being taught and are better able to apply and move forward. Even a mediocre teacher should figure out that IF a student is being disrespectful (ie, arguing or refusing to comply), that explaining why is highly likely to end the dispute. So again, what's wrong with expecting the teacher to provide a reason? Asking "why" is not disrespectful. If a teacher (or parent) really doesn't want kids to question things, THAT's doing them a disservice for their futures lives.


Show me where in this thread it says that the teacher did not provide an answer to the question. I'll wait....
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2021 17:38     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.



Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.



Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.



Then ask them about the policy instead of whining about it here.



I'm not the one complaining. I didn't make the original post. I'm just stating my opinions and disagreeing with having to obey and abide the teacher always for everything without questioning.


You parents are doing your children a tremendous disservice if you are teaching them that it's okay to be disrespectful of teachers and to question every little thing they ask students to do. This will not teach them good workplace skills.

OMG. A student asking if they can do an assignment on paper is hardly disrespectful or questioning every little thing they're asked to do. There's no indication that the child in the OP continued to be defiant, engage in an argument, or otherwise was in any way disrespectful. The parent merely asked why the child can't do math on paper! A good teacher would know that when a student understands the rationale, they're more likely to accept and follow. When they understand the rationale, they better understand the concept being taught and are better able to apply and move forward. Even a mediocre teacher should figure out that IF a student is being disrespectful (ie, arguing or refusing to comply), that explaining why is highly likely to end the dispute. So again, what's wrong with expecting the teacher to provide a reason? Asking "why" is not disrespectful. If a teacher (or parent) really doesn't want kids to question things, THAT's doing them a disservice for their futures lives.
Anonymous
Post 04/12/2021 06:46     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"


Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.



Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.



Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.



Then ask them about the policy instead of whining about it here.



I'm not the one complaining. I didn't make the original post. I'm just stating my opinions and disagreeing with having to obey and abide the teacher always for everything without questioning.


You parents are doing your children a tremendous disservice if you are teaching them that it's okay to be disrespectful of teachers and to question every little thing they ask students to do. This will not teach them good workplace skills.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 19:41     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:When my kid started back in hybrid, her teacher said she wouldn't be doing anything on paper because it was unsafe and there was no way to disinfect papers. As far as I know she's still doing all her elementary work on Seesaw. No paper. It's possible that your kid's teacher feels the same way.


That sounds odd. Why do you need to disinfect paper? If that was even an issue (which it isnt'), the kids would take a pic on the iPad. Anyhow, my kids in ES and MS are both doing work on paper. My MS kid is loving her art class, as they are drawing on paper along with the kids at home. She has notebooks full of notes from in person class. My ES kid has come home with rough drafts, poems, and all sorts of things on paper. It's been great.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 16:49     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

When my kid started back in hybrid, her teacher said she wouldn't be doing anything on paper because it was unsafe and there was no way to disinfect papers. As far as I know she's still doing all her elementary work on Seesaw. No paper. It's possible that your kid's teacher feels the same way.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 16:45     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.


Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.


Exhibit A of snowplow parenting, right here.


Why is it so unreasonable for a teacher to explain to the student why they are saying no to their question/request?
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 16:44     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.



Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.



Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.


Then ask them about the policy instead of whining about it here.


I'm not the one complaining. I didn't make the original post. I'm just stating my opinions and disagreeing with having to obey and abide the teacher always for everything without questioning.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 15:45     Subject: APS - why "no paper"

Another display of how miserable the administration is making this for our kids.
Anonymous
Post 04/11/2021 10:54     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"


Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.



Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.



Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.


Then ask them about the policy instead of whining about it here.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 20:15     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.


Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.


Exhibit A of snowplow parenting, right here.