Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.

Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.

what about goalie

A keeper should be in good shape too.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is stupid. No professional soccer player ever out-jogs someone to the ball. It is sprint and recover, which does not translate to a long distance timed run.

I guarantee neither Messi nor Ronaldo come anywhere close to the best 2-mile timed run on their own team. We all know Maradona was a marathoner.

Why not do a sprint and cut the slowest kids who can't run an 11 second 100m? Both metrics are physically unattainable for a certain population of kids, and both are a poor measure of how the athlete will perform on the field.

Every single word you just wrote is total nonsense.

+1. Where even to begin on this.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our son’s high school has a 2 mile in 12 minute fitness test, as well as the ManU fitness test. Colleges have multiple fitness tests, and the 2 miles in 12 minutes seems fairly common for a number of colleges.

A fitness test is that. It test fitness. There are many kids who can train and make the standard but not many can have an impact on the field. High school level sport including “elite” travel teams can have a dominant player who is athletic and out of shape.

Completely agree that a kid can be an excellent shape, juggle 1000 consecutive times with each foot, etc, etc, etc, but that doesn’t mean they are actually a good player and can make a positive impact on the game.

However, I don’t care how good a player someone is, if they are out of shape, they will be limited in the impact they can have on a game. If a kid can only go hard for 10 minutes before being gassed, they are limited to a substitute role on any decent team. That’s stating the obvious, I know.

+1.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our son’s high school has a 2 mile in 12 minute fitness test, as well as the ManU fitness test. Colleges have multiple fitness tests, and the 2 miles in 12 minutes seems fairly common for a number of colleges.

A fitness test is that. It test fitness. There are many kids who can train and make the standard but not many can have an impact on the field. High school level sport including “elite” travel teams can have a dominant player who is athletic and out of shape.

Completely agree that a kid can be an excellent shape, juggle 1000 consecutive times with each foot, etc, etc, etc, but that doesn’t mean they are actually a good player and can make a positive impact on the game.

However, I don’t care how good a player someone is, if they are out of shape, they will be limited in the impact they can have on a game. If a kid can only go hard for 10 minutes before being gassed, they are limited to a substitute role on any decent team. That’s stating the obvious, I know.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.

Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.

what about goalie

Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.

Gamers can run a 5:30 mile.

Anonymous wrote:Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.

Dummy

Makes no sense at all. thats like saying if cant juggle 50 times your cut. gamers can game straight up.. and what about goalies no need for either.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our son’s high school has a 2 mile in 12 minute fitness test, as well as the ManU fitness test. Colleges have multiple fitness tests, and the 2 miles in 12 minutes seems fairly common for a number of colleges.

A fitness test is that. It test fitness. There are many kids who can train and make the standard but not many can have an impact on the field. High school level sport including “elite” travel teams can have a dominant player who is athletic and out of shape.

That's not a fitness test it's a cardiovascular test. If the coach isn't taking measurement or monitoring for specific functions, and only doing time... it's a cardiovascular test.

And dumb.

This is a high school coach with access to high school level facilities and probably 50+ kids trying out. This is a sensible easy way to provide the kids with an incentive to get fit and an easy to use measuring stick.

You're dumb.

Anonymous wrote: we are at a 3000 person high school, over 120 kids came out in Fall of 2019, for a roster of 25. They have to winnow it down quickly, and have a week to do that. The timed run is just a way to get rid of those who don't take it seriously/didn't prepare and are not in shape. The coaches have to get the numbers down quickly, and that's a way of doing it. I am sure there are other ways too, but I wouldn't pick on the coaches who are overwhelmed with too many players

To the PP who mentioned the 11 sec 100M instead. Maybe a fair idea, but not anywhere near the same as 5:30 or 6:00 for a mile. There are MAYBE a handful of HS kids who can break 11.00 in the 100, and odds are any boy who can has chosen track. They aren't playing soccer.

Also, it's VERY true that those speedy kids are great for a few minutes, but depending on roster sizes and subs, they are easily beaten by making them run hard early and deplete. I watch defenders do that to the rare truly fast striker a lot.... Fast once and fast 100 times are very different. Soccer demands speed, strength, AND change of direction. No run test demonstrates the agility aspect, but both speed and strength run tests can be valuable to weed out kids.

how dare you want to weed out the 125 for a roster of 18-24 or so.
All 125 should make the team. All 125 must get playing time. Blame all training failures on the coach and US Soccer. And finally at the end of the winless season all 125 that stuck it out will get a trophy. its only right.

we are at a 3000 person high school, over 120 kids came out in Fall of 2019, for a roster of 25. They have to winnow it down quickly, and have a week to do that. The timed run is just a way to get rid of those who don't take it seriously/didn't prepare and are not in shape. The coaches have to get the numbers down quickly, and that's a way of doing it. I am sure there are other ways too, but I wouldn't pick on the coaches who are overwhelmed with too many players

So what you are saying is the only measurements worthwhile are soccer specific drills and techniques. Having a player that is physically fit is seemingly not important in your assessment.

Explain to me the harm in having a baseline fitness expectation for soccer or any high school sport for that matter.

Or will i get the same reply that someone posted about this being potentially dangerous.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our son’s high school has a 2 mile in 12 minute fitness test, as well as the ManU fitness test. Colleges have multiple fitness tests, and the 2 miles in 12 minutes seems fairly common for a number of colleges.

A fitness test is that. It test fitness. There are many kids who can train and make the standard but not many can have an impact on the field. High school level sport including “elite” travel teams can have a dominant player who is athletic and out of shape.

That's not a fitness test it's a cardiovascular test. If the coach isn't taking measurement or monitoring for specific functions, and only doing time... it's a cardiovascular test.

And dumb.

It's just high school soccer, don't take any of it serious.