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Anonymous wrote:Harvard isn't known for undergraduate CS. UVA CS major commonly field offers 100k+ in recent years from our experience. So unless Havard CS BA/BS can earn much more, the cost vs ROI may not make sense. Now, if it's Harvard law or medicine, than that's another story.

On College Scorecard, median earnings for CS are $128,737 for Harvard vs. $92,077 at UVA.

Dunno about Scorecord, I can only speak from our experience with two kids graduating last year and this year with a CS from UVA.

Scorecard will have real data from people who received financial aid. The number of data points is reasonably high and the delta is $36,660, or 40%, in Harvard's favor for CS graduate earnings. I just thought the PP undersold Harvard CS in their post.

Having a degree from Harvard is going to be looked at more highly by prestige-obsessed industries than a degree from UVA, regardless of class rank. This becomes less true for privates like Vanderbilt, Rice, Duke, etc.

Also being top 5% of the accepted class into UVA does not mean they will be top 5% there of the graduating class.

But this is all hypothetical.

Anonymous wrote:Go with the Ivy unless we’re talking about Brown or Cornell. Brown isn’t a good fit for a lot of smart kids and Cornell is a state school like U. Va so not worth the added expense.

Dumb post. If the expenses are the same, Cornell has a much better CS program than Brown, Dartmouth, UVA, etc.

Anonymous wrote:My kid got into honors at uva, for "top 5% of applicants." Exciting, but also applied to Harvard etc. Would it be better to be part of the "top 5%" at uva, or average at Harvard, assuming my child gets in? UVA honors implies opportunity to standout from the start, with the opportunities that may accompany that, I guess, but is that reason enough to pass up the harvard credential/connections? OOS, so it's not vastly less expensive to go to UVA. Kid is interested in CS, engineering and stem more broadly, but not sure re career or grad school, etc.

I haven’t gone to either school, but I’ve hung out around both campuses for various reasons.

If money is tight and UVA would be $200,000 cheaper: UVA, of course. I would go live on cat food and panhandle if the choice were between Harvard and community college.

But Charlottesville is gorgeous, UVA is a fine school in its own right, and being a cherished star at UVA could be a lot of fun.

Otherwise, your kid should pick Harvard, because, no matter whether it would be better or worse, it would be an amazing, mind-blowing experience.

UVA might start off cheaper, but, if you run into financial problems, Harvard will probably come up with more emergency help
than UVA.

And, given that Harvard isn’t seen as a top CS school, maybe majoring in CS there would be more fun than majoring in CS at a higher-ranked CS school.

Wait until tonight after the ivy results are out. It's like asking what you should buy if you win a lottery. Only worry about that after you win.

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Anonymous wrote:Harvard isn't known for undergraduate CS. UVA CS major commonly field offers 100k+ in recent years from our experience. So unless Havard CS BA/BS can earn much more, the cost vs ROI may not make sense. Now, if it's Harvard law or medicine, than that's another story.

On College Scorecard, median earnings for CS are $128,737 for Harvard vs. $92,077 at UVA.

Dunno about Scorecord, I can only speak from our experience with two kids graduating last year and this year with a CS from UVA.

Anonymous wrote:Harvard isn't known for undergraduate CS. UVA CS major commonly field offers 100k+ in recent years from our experience. So unless Havard CS BA/BS can earn much more, the cost vs ROI may not make sense. Now, if it's Harvard law or medicine, than that's another story.

On College Scorecard, median earnings for CS are $128,737 for Harvard vs. $92,077 at UVA.

The first thing people will see or hear is the university name. If you have to inject in that you graduated from the honors program, you appear to be promoting yourself.

So all things being equal, I'd say go with the better school/better fit. But many kids take full scholarships vs Ivy League from a simple financial perspective.

How is this a question? Harvard

Harvard is a world wide brand name, and UVa isn't.

I don't think this is even a question worth pondering until you know if your kid got into Harvard or not. If they do get in, they should go to Harvard. I say this as a U.Va. alum that absolutely loved my college experience.

There are certain benefits to being a Rodman/Echols scholar. There is special dorm, class selection priority, and (for Echols Scholars) removal or area requirements.

As others have mentioned, it does fundamentally change a person's experience at UVa, so I guess you still have almost the same decision making process - Private tuition or public state tuition for a public education.

Harvard isn't known for undergraduate CS. UVA CS major commonly field offers 100k+ in recent years from our experience. So unless Havard CS BA/BS can earn much more, the cost vs ROI may not make sense. Now, if it's Harvard law or medicine, than that's another story.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kid got into honors at uva, for "top 5% of applicants." Exciting, but also applied to Harvard etc. Would it be better to be part of the "top 5%" at uva, or average at Harvard, assuming my child gets in? UVA honors implies opportunity to standout from the start, with the opportunities that may accompany that, I guess, but is that reason enough to pass up the harvard credential/connections? OOS, so it's not vastly less expensive to go to UVA. Kid is interested in CS, engineering and stem more broadly, but not sure re career or grad school, etc.

And anyone have experience with uva honors and perspective to offer?

Obviously go with with the better school.

The Echols program was invented to help UVa improve its stats and for good PR (“our students are doing XYz amazing intellectually weighty things! We are a real university!”) to cover for the good ole boy drinking and criminal frat behavior that is a large part of UVA culture. The white supfemacists picked the rotunda for a reason.

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That said if Echols is your best offer it is nice to not have to take any gen eds and it does grease the skids around grounds for further intellectual opportunities.

Anonymous obviously illiterate poster, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone on this thread is now dumber for having read it. Your comment drips with intellectual laziness and unnecessary hyperbole, may God have mercy on your soul.

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Obviously go with with the better school. The Echols program was invented to help UVa improve its stats and for good PR (“our students are doing XYz amazing intellectually weighty things! We are a real university!”) to cover for the good ole boy drinking and criminal frat behavior that is a large part of UVA culture. The white supfemacists picked the rotunda for a reason.

That said if Echols is your best offer it is nice to not have to take any gen eds and it does grease the skids around grounds for further intellectual opportunities.

They picked it because they are taking down statues, renaming buildings, and confronting a racist past. They went there to intimidate people, lead by two disgruntled, white supremacist alumni.

You trot out this trope pretty regularly. It just shows ignorance about what happened and why.

Except when it is.