Anonymous
Post 03/23/2021 07:43     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:This whole thread feels like a gotsoccer ranking rant. Are we still this naive about believing leagues matter? Is La Liga better than the Bundesliga, better than the EPL?


The only poster that presented facts vs opinions has me convinced that leagues do matter and that ECNL is the best girls youth league in the country. Is a league the only thing that matters? No, of course not. But college recruiters and coaches don’t have unlimited time so they need some sort of filter to pick and choose what they pay attention to. League is one of those filters. It is known and it is obvious. Now, will a college recruiter go watch a team that performs poorly in a top league? Likely not unless they know and respect the coach and that coach has recommended a player(s), and even more likely if they are already at an event that has other high quality teams with high quality players. The logistics make it easier.

Anyhow, let people rant and pontificate all they want, as this is an open blog site (mostly) and occasionally there are some good nuggets in this sea of unsupported opinions.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2021 07:23     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
This whole thread feels like a gotsoccer ranking rant. Are we still this naive about believing leagues matter? Is La Liga better than the Bundesliga, better than the EPL?
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2021 06:48     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They don't allow veo it but I guess clubs do it anyway.


Who is they. Veo was everywhere at Jeff Cup. Game film is way too important. Especially now


but YOU don't have the film.


Yes. I do have the film. I have every single game my kid played this year. Every game is uploaded into a online database that we pay collectively to have access to...it’s called spreading the cost. Your club should try it.
Anonymous
Post 03/23/2021 06:17     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They don't allow veo it but I guess clubs do it anyway.


Who is they. Veo was everywhere at Jeff Cup. Game film is way too important. Especially now


but YOU don't have the film.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 23:34     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where’s Loudoun?


Right here:

2007 Top Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Loudoun (ECNL)


Typed it on purpose aaaaaaaaaaaand you took the bait.

Now answer: besides that 07 group which is mostly successful because they’re close friends and have been together for a while, what else can you brag about?


Again, why are you so vested in belittling Loudoun? You’re obsessed. It’s kinda sad.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 23:05     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where’s Loudoun?


Right here:

2007 Top Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Loudoun (ECNL)


Typed it on purpose aaaaaaaaaaaand you took the bait.

Now answer: besides that 07 group which is mostly successful because they’re close friends and have been together for a while, what else can you brag about?


Aaaaaand you’re a loser. It’s not bragging. You asked a question and the pp responded with a factual answer.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 23:04     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:They don't allow veo it but I guess clubs do it anyway.


Who is they. Veo was everywhere at Jeff Cup. Game film is way too important. Especially now
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 23:00     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
They don't allow veo it but I guess clubs do it anyway.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:47     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its a showcase. What des that mean t have a champion in a showcase? the teams in one group do not even all play one another.

But in any case, the final verdict is that this was a showcase with very limited opportunities for actual showcasing as there was a tiny fraction of the normal coaches present.

But it was well run and the kids enjoyed it.


The game film is the showcase. College (and club) recruiting will happen whether you’re ready or not. The success of local teams is what parents look at to determine the clubs they will target. Don’t kid yourself in thinking none of it matters. It does.

Propaganda


What game film? Trace? Have you ever seen it? please.


Veo. We film every game.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:46     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Here is a summary of the Girls results for the better teams at Jeff Cup. Some ages I went three deep. GA could have better numbers if I went 4, 5, and 6 divisions deep but when debating the top clubs/teams in the area, I don't think you really need to go past 3 divisions. Regardless, these are the final statistics.

All team affiliations U11 through U17 and U18/19 in the below Divisions that I included.
40 Total Girls Academy Teams in the Divisions I list below.
82 Total Girls ECNL Teams
22 Total Girls EDP Teams
6 Total Girls CCL Teams
5 Total Girls from other Leagues.
***Arlington was included with GA for this as well as SOCA***


Division Champions (Top 2 and Top 3 depending on how many divisions/teams total)
ECNL Champions 15 Total
GA Champions 2 Total
CCL Champions 1 Total
Bethesda won the most Championship finals with a total of four. Richmond and NCFC came in 2nd with two.

Division Runner Ups
ECNL 12 Total
GA 4 Total
EDP 2 Total
CCL 1 Total
Both Pipeline and Arlington were runner-ups twice however Pipeline did win the U19 Division.

Championship Appearances (Including Ties)
ECNL 29 Total
GA 6 Total
CCL 2 Total
EDP 1 Total
ECNL outpaced other leagues by a large amount even when factoring that it entered 2x the amount of teams. I wish I could post a dot plot graph to show you how lopsided this is. By the numbers you would expect ECNL to place in the finals by a rate of 2x but they actually placed by a rate of almost 5x. EDP actually had the worst showing. Herndon and Beach represented the CCL extremely well at Jeff Cup this year and shouldn't go unnoticed based on the numbers.

Data used to compile verdict:

2010 Top Division (4 Future GA, 3 Future ECNL, and 1 EDP)
Champion
Bethesda (ECNL)
Runner Up
Pipeline (ECNL)

2009 Top Division (3 Future GA, 4 Future ECNL, and 1 EDP)
Champion
Michigan Nationals (GA)
Runner Up
Pipeline (ECNL)

2009 2nd Division (3 Future GA, 3 Future ECNL, 1 CCL, and 1 EDP)
Champion
Bethesda (ECNL)
Runner Up
Arlington (GA)

2008 Top Division (2 GA, 6 ECNL)
Champion
Richmond (ECNL)
Runner Up
Michigan Nationals (GA)

2008 2nd Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Beadling (GA)
Runner Up
Arlington (GA)

2008 3rd Division (1 GA, 3 ECNL, 1 EDP, 1 CCL)
Champion
Bethesda (ECNL)
Runner Up
Loudoun (ECNL)

2007 Top Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Loudoun (ECNL)
Runner Up
FC Virginia (GA)

2007 2nd Division (1 GA, 5 ECNL)
Champion
NCFC Courage (ECNL)
Runner Up
Solar ECRL (ECNL)

2007 3rd Division (1 GA, 1 CCL, 3 EDP)
Champion
Herndon (CCL)
Runner Up
Coppermine Premier (EDP)

2006 Top Division (2 GA, 3 ECNL, 3 EDP)
Champion
Bethesda (ECNL)
Runner Up
VDA (ECNL)

2006 2nd Division (2 GA,5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
NCFC (ECNL)
Runner Up
SUSA (ECNL)

2006 3rd Division (2 GA, 3 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
East Meadow (ECNL)
Runner Up
McLean (ECNL)

2005 Top Division (3 GA, 8 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Richmond (ECNL)
Runner Up
World Class (ECNL)

2005 2nd Division (3 GA, 4 ECNL, 1 CCL, 2 EDP, 1 SCDSL)
Champion
Connecticut (ECNL)
Runner Up (Tie)
East Meadow (ECNL)
Beach FC (CCL)

2004 Top Division (3 GA, 8 ECNL, 1 CCL)
Champion
SUSA (ECNL)
Runner Up
Connecticut (ECNL)

2004 2nd Division (3 GA, 6 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion (Tie)
Charlotte Indi (ECNL)
VDA (ECNL)
Runner Up
Eagle FC (EDP)

2003/02 Top Division (0 GA, 8 ECNL, 1 CCL, 3 EDP)
Champion
Pipeline (ECNL)
Runner Up
McLean (ECNL)

2003/02 2nd Division (3 GA, 3 ECNL, 1 EDP, 2 Florida, 1 New York, 1 Massachusetts)
Champion
BRYC (ECNL)
Runner Up (Tie)
VDA (ECNL)
MD Elite (?)




If SOCA is GA then Arlington is ECNL. Right? Can’t have it both ways


I notice no Arlington teams past 2008. It’s usually how it tracks.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:44     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Its a showcase. What des that mean t have a champion in a showcase? the teams in one group do not even all play one another.

But in any case, the final verdict is that this was a showcase with very limited opportunities for actual showcasing as there was a tiny fraction of the normal coaches present.

But it was well run and the kids enjoyed it.


The game film is the showcase. College (and club) recruiting will happen whether you’re ready or not. The success of local teams is what parents look at to determine the clubs they will target. Don’t kid yourself in thinking none of it matters. It does.

Propaganda


What game film? Trace? Have you ever seen it? please.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:43     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:Its a showcase. What des that mean t have a champion in a showcase? the teams in one group do not even all play one another.

But in any case, the final verdict is that this was a showcase with very limited opportunities for actual showcasing as there was a tiny fraction of the normal coaches present.

But it was well run and the kids enjoyed it.


The game film is the showcase. College (and club) recruiting will happen whether you’re ready or not. The success of local teams is what parents look at to determine the clubs they will target. Don’t kid yourself in thinking none of it matters. It does.

Propaganda
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:30     Subject: Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Its a showcase. What des that mean t have a champion in a showcase? the teams in one group do not even all play one another.

But in any case, the final verdict is that this was a showcase with very limited opportunities for actual showcasing as there was a tiny fraction of the normal coaches present.

But it was well run and the kids enjoyed it.
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 22:26     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where’s Loudoun?


Right here:

2007 Top Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Loudoun (ECNL)


Typed it on purpose aaaaaaaaaaaand you took the bait.

Now answer: besides that 07 group which is mostly successful because they’re close friends and have been together for a while, what else can you brag about?


Instead of me trying to name a second loudoun one, can you name one of the FCV champions this weekend first?
Anonymous
Post 03/22/2021 21:41     Subject: Re:Jeff Cup Girls Final Verdict
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Where’s Loudoun?


Right here:

2007 Top Division (2 GA, 5 ECNL, 1 EDP)
Champion
Loudoun (ECNL)


Typed it on purpose aaaaaaaaaaaand you took the bait.

Now answer: besides that 07 group which is mostly successful because they’re close friends and have been together for a while, what else can you brag about?


I’m not from Loudoun and even I know that’s not true.
It’s because that is no external pull.