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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

I had all that stuff because I was taught to be a driver. Not an “aimer”.

I avoided the collisions. I monitored my blindspots. I monitored the lane.

Obviously that was all lost on you, because no, all those automated gizmos that allow people to do nearly everything except drive today didn’t exist back then. It was on YOU.

If you need all those systems to feel safe, then you are too unsafe to drive a car to begin with.

No one is perfect 100% of the time. That's why so many car accidents happen. They aren't intentional.

I'm a good driver -- never had an accident. I find blind spot monitoring a great second check that I'm clear, even though I still check. It's especial useful in poor visibility (rain) or when I need to make a sudden maneuver.

Do you also eschew antilock brakes too? After all, you can just pump the brakes. How about airbags? There's no need for them if you don't get in a wreck. Same with seatbelts -- who needs them if you're a good driver!

Grasping.


Those last ones you illustrated are passive systems designed to keep you safer IN a crash. ABS? if you like longer stopping distances, yes. Because there is zero.zero percent chance that a car with ABS stops faster than the exact same car without ABS. This isn’t open to debate. If you understand how ABS works, then you won’t even try to argue this point....

Lane monitoring, self-driving modes, blind spot monitoring - those are designed to make up for your lack of attention while you’re driving, because you can’t be bothered enough to take it seriously. If you need to fuss around with your phone, your hair, your make up, eat a snack, whatever... then I support you having those things because they help protect ME from dangerous people like YOU.

But they’re pointless for me, because I’m actually focused on driving the car.

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

I had all that stuff because I was taught to be a driver. Not an “aimer”.

I avoided the collisions. I monitored my blindspots. I monitored the lane.

Obviously that was all lost on you, because no, all those automated gizmos that allow people to do nearly everything except drive today didn’t exist back then. It was on YOU.

If you need all those systems to feel safe, then you are too unsafe to drive a car to begin with.

No one is perfect 100% of the time. That's why so many car accidents happen. They aren't intentional.

I'm a good driver -- never had an accident. I find blind spot monitoring a great second check that I'm clear, even though I still check. It's especial useful in poor visibility (rain) or when I need to make a sudden maneuver.

Do you also eschew antilock brakes too? After all, you can just pump the brakes. How about airbags? There's no need for them if you don't get in a wreck. Same with seatbelts -- who needs them if you're a good driver!

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

I had all that stuff because I was taught to be a driver. Not an “aimer”.

I avoided the collisions. I monitored my blindspots. I monitored the lane.

Obviously that was all lost on you, because no, all those automated gizmos that allow people to do nearly everything except drive today didn’t exist back then. It was on YOU.

If you need all those systems to feel safe, then you are too unsafe to drive a car to begin with.

Well said, kudos!

Not well said. PP is just trying to rationalize having an old car. I like having an old beater, but the safety and driver assist technologies are significant, and not to be dismissed.

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

I had all that stuff because I was taught to be a driver. Not an “aimer”.

I avoided the collisions. I monitored my blindspots. I monitored the lane.

Obviously that was all lost on you, because no, all those automated gizmos that allow people to do nearly everything except drive today didn’t exist back then. It was on YOU.

If you need all those systems to feel safe, then you are too unsafe to drive a car to begin with.

Well said, kudos!

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

I had all that stuff because I was taught to be a driver. Not an “aimer”.

I avoided the collisions. I monitored my blindspots. I monitored the lane.

Obviously that was all lost on you, because no, all those automated gizmos that allow people to do nearly everything except drive today didn’t exist back then. It was on YOU.

If you need all those systems to feel safe, then you are too unsafe to drive a car to begin with.

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

+1

After driving beat up old base models for years, we got a brand new Subaru in 2018. It's so safe and so comfortable. It has the best adaptive cruise system I've ever used.

If it falls apart in 5-7 years so be it. It's really nice now.

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

Uh....I don’t believe you had collision avoidance in ‘89. According to google that was first released in ‘08 by Volvo.

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There is a HUGE intangible value to having an older, paid-for car that you can just not give a F about other than occasional repairs. It’s so much stress off the mind. Worrying about all little annoying things like door dings, scratches, dirt, wear and tear and other stuff that people with new(er) cars sweat over. It all just goes away.

An old car is like a pair of scuffed up workboots. Stuff just doesn’t matter. They still work.

There's also a huge value in having a car that is safe. Technology has moved by leaps and bounds in the last couple yeasrs. Buy this year's model of teh same Subaru and you get blind spot monitoring, front collisison avoidance, rear collission warning, rear backup camera, and more.

I’ve had blind spot monitoring on every car I ever driven since 1989. Same goes for front collision avoidance, and lane monitoring. All were standard equipment on everything I ever drove.

Back-up cameras are convenient though, especially for backing up to my boat trailer. Which is why I installed one on our 2001 Dodge pick up.

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Anonymous wrote:We also had a 2010 Subaru. When this happened for the *second* time for us last year we were done. Traded it in.

I don't understand why they insist on making their engines like this. It can't be good for customer loyalty.

Do they still?

My understanding is that it’s less frequent but I believe it still happens.