Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 22:33     Subject: In person options are deceptive
It seems like this is what is happening elsewhere in the country. My cousin is a HS teacher in the Atlanta metro. She has been teaching in person since last fall. I was talking to her today and she told me that "in-person" means kids come to school with their device, seat there and she still does DL with them and other kids who are at home. The only advantage is that the kids in the classroom can ask question directly. I was really shocked by this. I asked her why, and she told me the school still has a no contact policy.

For what is worth, she told me she loved it because it is less stress for her, but she did point out that the kids are getting less out it but she is just following the rules.

I hope this is not what the future looks like...
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:36     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


There's the rub and the fault in the "logic" of this DCUM echo chamber. It's the same silliness that causes people to complain that DCPS or Charters "don't have a plan". Not having a plan is very different than not liking the plan or the outcome. But if you've spent your entire life getting what you want if you just cry loud enough and/or flex your privilege then I imagine this whole experience is a bit of a mindf***. And don't get me started on all of the architects, lawyers, accountants, and other grad degree holders in DC who read a study and have decided they are now Fauci-esque epidemiologists. Seriously, if I had a dime for every neighbor who cited "the studies they'd read" I'd be retired.


I would be waaaaay happier if there appeared to BE a plan, even if it were one I didn't like. They don't have a plan to reopen fully. At least one that they've publicized.


+1

Like I don't really agree with Hogan, but at least MD is laying things out there. Everyone can then fight over what's out there.

Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:34     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


There's the rub and the fault in the "logic" of this DCUM echo chamber. It's the same silliness that causes people to complain that DCPS or Charters "don't have a plan". Not having a plan is very different than not liking the plan or the outcome. But if you've spent your entire life getting what you want if you just cry loud enough and/or flex your privilege then I imagine this whole experience is a bit of a mindf***. And don't get me started on all of the architects, lawyers, accountants, and other grad degree holders in DC who read a study and have decided they are now Fauci-esque epidemiologists. Seriously, if I had a dime for every neighbor who cited "the studies they'd read" I'd be retired.


I would be waaaaay happier if there appeared to BE a plan, even if it were one I didn't like. They don't have a plan to reopen fully. At least one that they've publicized.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:33     Subject: Re:In person options are deceptive
I mean, I go with the vast majority of experts on what to do, because I realize I'm not an epidemiologist.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:26     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


There's the rub and the fault in the "logic" of this DCUM echo chamber. It's the same silliness that causes people to complain that DCPS or Charters "don't have a plan". Not having a plan is very different than not liking the plan or the outcome. But if you've spent your entire life getting what you want if you just cry loud enough and/or flex your privilege then I imagine this whole experience is a bit of a mindf***. And don't get me started on all of the architects, lawyers, accountants, and other grad degree holders in DC who read a study and have decided they are now Fauci-esque epidemiologists. Seriously, if I had a dime for every neighbor who cited "the studies they'd read" I'd be retired.


+1


+1 but have a scientist friend who reads the studies and she doesn't want us to go back until more adults are vaccinated. i trust her more than the lawyer who read the studies and wants the opposite. one reads an article to a study and the other uses her work account to read the scientific journal.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:24     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


There's the rub and the fault in the "logic" of this DCUM echo chamber. It's the same silliness that causes people to complain that DCPS or Charters "don't have a plan". Not having a plan is very different than not liking the plan or the outcome. But if you've spent your entire life getting what you want if you just cry loud enough and/or flex your privilege then I imagine this whole experience is a bit of a mindf***. And don't get me started on all of the architects, lawyers, accountants, and other grad degree holders in DC who read a study and have decided they are now Fauci-esque epidemiologists. Seriously, if I had a dime for every neighbor who cited "the studies they'd read" I'd be retired.


+1
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 12:16     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


There's the rub and the fault in the "logic" of this DCUM echo chamber. It's the same silliness that causes people to complain that DCPS or Charters "don't have a plan". Not having a plan is very different than not liking the plan or the outcome. But if you've spent your entire life getting what you want if you just cry loud enough and/or flex your privilege then I imagine this whole experience is a bit of a mindf***. And don't get me started on all of the architects, lawyers, accountants, and other grad degree holders in DC who read a study and have decided they are now Fauci-esque epidemiologists. Seriously, if I had a dime for every neighbor who cited "the studies they'd read" I'd be retired.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 09:08     Subject: In person options are deceptive
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Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 09:07     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:Well - maybe it is time to rethink the master schedule. Other districts all of the country have.


I am PP and I meant they would have to move around all of the teachers, have kids switch classes, etc. That seems foolish to do in March. That doesn’t mean the fall will be the same. But if you are want your kid in person so bad that the physics teacher is teaching Spanish in person, by all means continue to push for in person at the school this year.
Anonymous
Post 03/17/2021 08:47     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Well - maybe it is time to rethink the master schedule. Other districts all of the country have.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2021 23:35     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


Yes, that's true, however couldn't they have added the option that instead of all these, given the opportunity would you prefer a hybrid in person option with a live teacher...or something like that...the amount of surveys that don't meet the needs of anyone who doesn't need/want to be babysat by support staff is silly. Especially at Walls. Every school is different I know but most of these kids don't need a babysitter so the options they are presenting are a waste of time. My child wants to interact with her classmates in some way and not go to school and have so many rules they can barely move. There must be a way on Wednesday's at least to have activities where the class can do outdoor activities with other students in a safe manner if anything. I was going to choose Wednesday "non instructional" option but it didn't outline what they meant by that. If it's study hall no. If it's an outdoor activity with classmates led by staff, yes. They need to be a little more detailed.


What would be the point of doing that?

Do restaurants tell you dishes that they don’t serve? Do car dealers describe features that can’t be installed?

The survey is NOT needed as research to see if there’s interest in “real” school with a “real” teacher. We already know there’s interest. Very vocal interest.


The issue isn't the options on the survey. It's fine if they only present the options that are available. The issue the OP has is about the USE of the survey results. They SHOULD use the results to say "less interest in CARES classrooms," but instead it is regularly used as "less interest in in-person learning." The two are not the same.


I get this but I don't think Walls in any way thinks these CARES classrooms are in-person learning. They are the only option possible without changing the entire master schedule of the school.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2021 12:33     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers I know who were not teaching in person in February are struggling to get vaccination appointments. It is outrageous to pretend like in-person school is a priority and then not vaccinate all the teachers.

The mayor says she doesn't know if all teachers will have the opportunity to be vaccinated before returning in April.

https://twitter.com/PerryStein/status/1371503002801082369


Wow - this just seems crazy. I still don't understand why they aren't offering another teacher only event? It seems to easy to count how many still need/want it and set aside that many and vaccinate on a Wednesday or weekend and get it done. The mayor will never understand until her child is old enough for her to care. Teachers and support staff should be our #1 priority right now. All other essential workers have been working in person this entire time regardless of vaccine so if the only thing holding teachers back is getting vaccinated now let's just do it. And now that DC is going to offer vaccines to all 16 and older let's have teachers of those students plan to teach from the classroom in the fall with those kids who don't want/can't to be there learning from home. Yes there are technical hurdles to this but they should have saved a ton of money in other areas to pay for it! The pandemic is not going away for several years. Walls isn't getting bigger...find a way to make it happen.


I completely agree with this--and I've contacted the Mayor and my council member about this, and retweeted this tweet. Tried to get my school active in advocating for better vaccination for teachers, too. I hope other people will also reach out to the government because they're really not making teachers a priority, even though they claim they are.


I think there is some political pressure here too, since the initial priorities of first responders, teachers, etc. meant that DC vaccinated almost as many people from VA & MD as it did DC. Not a great look, even if it is the Dc-screwing federal allocation that is to blame.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2021 12:24     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


Yes, that's true, however couldn't they have added the option that instead of all these, given the opportunity would you prefer a hybrid in person option with a live teacher...or something like that...the amount of surveys that don't meet the needs of anyone who doesn't need/want to be babysat by support staff is silly. Especially at Walls. Every school is different I know but most of these kids don't need a babysitter so the options they are presenting are a waste of time. My child wants to interact with her classmates in some way and not go to school and have so many rules they can barely move. There must be a way on Wednesday's at least to have activities where the class can do outdoor activities with other students in a safe manner if anything. I was going to choose Wednesday "non instructional" option but it didn't outline what they meant by that. If it's study hall no. If it's an outdoor activity with classmates led by staff, yes. They need to be a little more detailed.


What would be the point of doing that?

Do restaurants tell you dishes that they don’t serve? Do car dealers describe features that can’t be installed?

The survey is NOT needed as research to see if there’s interest in “real” school with a “real” teacher. We already know there’s interest. Very vocal interest.


The issue isn't the options on the survey. It's fine if they only present the options that are available. The issue the OP has is about the USE of the survey results. They SHOULD use the results to say "less interest in CARES classrooms," but instead it is regularly used as "less interest in in-person learning." The two are not the same.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2021 12:17     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Teachers I know who were not teaching in person in February are struggling to get vaccination appointments. It is outrageous to pretend like in-person school is a priority and then not vaccinate all the teachers.

The mayor says she doesn't know if all teachers will have the opportunity to be vaccinated before returning in April.

https://twitter.com/PerryStein/status/1371503002801082369


Wow - this just seems crazy. I still don't understand why they aren't offering another teacher only event? It seems to easy to count how many still need/want it and set aside that many and vaccinate on a Wednesday or weekend and get it done. The mayor will never understand until her child is old enough for her to care. Teachers and support staff should be our #1 priority right now. All other essential workers have been working in person this entire time regardless of vaccine so if the only thing holding teachers back is getting vaccinated now let's just do it. And now that DC is going to offer vaccines to all 16 and older let's have teachers of those students plan to teach from the classroom in the fall with those kids who don't want/can't to be there learning from home. Yes there are technical hurdles to this but they should have saved a ton of money in other areas to pay for it! The pandemic is not going away for several years. Walls isn't getting bigger...find a way to make it happen.


I completely agree with this--and I've contacted the Mayor and my council member about this, and retweeted this tweet. Tried to get my school active in advocating for better vaccination for teachers, too. I hope other people will also reach out to the government because they're really not making teachers a priority, even though they claim they are.
Anonymous
Post 03/16/2021 11:27     Subject: In person options are deceptive
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This is how surveys work. They are asking you what you prefer, out of the given options. What you are asking for isn’t currently an option.


Yes, that's true, however couldn't they have added the option that instead of all these, given the opportunity would you prefer a hybrid in person option with a live teacher...or something like that...the amount of surveys that don't meet the needs of anyone who doesn't need/want to be babysat by support staff is silly. Especially at Walls. Every school is different I know but most of these kids don't need a babysitter so the options they are presenting are a waste of time. My child wants to interact with her classmates in some way and not go to school and have so many rules they can barely move. There must be a way on Wednesday's at least to have activities where the class can do outdoor activities with other students in a safe manner if anything. I was going to choose Wednesday "non instructional" option but it didn't outline what they meant by that. If it's study hall no. If it's an outdoor activity with classmates led by staff, yes. They need to be a little more detailed.

My child went on a Wed and the "activity" was to play minecraft.
I would prefer for my child not to get on public transportation - to sit in a classroom with 4 other students and play minecraft.