If Georgetown weren't where it is it would be a nothing university. It's endowment is paltry -- one fifth the size of UVA's, and one-tenth the size of Notre Dame's, and much smaller than any other private university in the top tier of US News.

Anonymous wrote:I think Georgetown’s best days are behind it. It is not well run. Lots of unhappy faculty and staff. I know many people who work there. Campus is run down.
Georgetown is living in the past even the school of foreign service.

There is some truth to this, because the antiquated, out of touch (literally - average age is probably 80 years old, and most of them aren't even on this continent) Board dictates what should happen, but they have zero idea of the day to day. If I was a parent or a donor, I would want to know that big changes need to be made - starting with abolishing that Board.

Georgetown usually admits the kid who was SGA president from my public hs. The last one that got in was connected. His grandfather was a well known professor there.

Anonymous wrote:I think Georgetown’s best days are behind it. It is not well run. Lots of unhappy faculty and staff. I know many people who work there. Campus is run down.
Georgetown is living in the past even the school of foreign service.

+2. This.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

According to the New York Times, there are only five universities in the US where students come from richer households than Georgetown: Wash U, Colgate, Washington & Lee, Middlebury and Colby. What all of these schools have in common is that they are a second choice for most students. So, yea, if your DD prefers a second choice school for really rich kids, go for it!

How is this remotely relevant or helpful to OP? She’s not asking about wealth.

She's characterizing UVA's student body, so I want to make sure she understands what Georgetown's is. Fair game.

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Anonymous wrote:This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

According to the New York Times, there are only five universities in the US where students come from richer households than Georgetown: Wash U, Colgate, Washington & Lee, Middlebury and Colby. What all of these schools have in common is that they are a second choice for most students. So, yea, if your DD prefers a second choice school for really rich kids, go for it!

How is this remotely relevant or helpful to OP? She’s not asking about wealth.

Anonymous wrote:I work at Georgetown. Lots of children of staff/faculty attend because of the major tuition discount; I believe they get an admissions tip, as well. Totally speculating here, but I wonder if it’s harder for other DC-area kids to get in because of that?

You don't work for Georgetown. I do, and I know what you said isn't true.

I think Georgetown’s best days are behind it. It is not well run. Lots of unhappy faculty and staff. I know many people who work there. Campus is run down.
Georgetown is living in the past even the school of foreign service.

Anonymous wrote:This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

According to the New York Times, there are only five universities in the US where students come from richer households than Georgetown: Wash U, Colgate, Washington & Lee, Middlebury and Colby. What all of these schools have in common is that they are a second choice for most students. So, yea, if your DD prefers a second choice school for really rich kids, go for it!

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Anonymous wrote:If you're gonna get into Georgetown from NOVA you're also going to get into UVA. Why pay double for Georgetown when UVA is a better school?

Well, one of the reasons being that's not necessarily true, especially in the humanities and international affairs (which are ironically UVA's strength compared to other publics)

Georgetown is also much smaller, located in a great part of DC, attracts a very large number of students from across the world that tend to be political/financial elites of their respective countries.

Much better than attending a school full of rural public school kids who can't keep up, 66% in-state and the rest being upper-middle-class suburbanites from NYC metro.

If tuition and cost of living are not an issue, these are very good reasons to attend Georgetown over UVA.

UVA is 34k a year in state. Georgetown is 76k. Georgetown has a paltry endowment, a tiny campus, and is largely populated by Ivy League rejects. It is not known in broad academic circles as better than UVA. They're considered peer institutions. Even if money isn't an issue, there's no reason to attend Georgetown over UVA.

Very weird post. Georgetown is full of Ivy rejects and UVA is full of community college students with guaranteed admissions.

There are various reasons to attend UVA over Georgetown. Some being money, majoring in engineering/natural sciences, wanting a smaller college town, wanting a larger student population, wanting Greek life, etc.

There are also various reasons to attend Georgetown over UVA. Much smaller school, better humanities and foreign affairs, located in a great neighborhood of DC, no Greek Life, stronger student population on average, etc.

The fact that you can't envision why one would choose Georgetown over UVA reflects rather poorly on you.

My point is that there's little reason for a NOVA grad to choose Georgetown over UVA. Not anyone in the world. Sure, all things being equal I can see it being a closer call. Parchment says that 2 out of 3 students who apply to and get into both choose Georgetown, but the vast majority of UVA applicants are from out of state so that makes sense. For NOVA grads alone I'll bet the numbers are far different.

Anonymous wrote:I work at Georgetown. Lots of children of staff/faculty attend because of the major tuition discount; I believe they get an admissions tip, as well. Totally speculating here, but I wonder if it’s harder for other DC-area kids to get in because of that?

That's not what's causing it. In NOVA at least, it's UVA. UVA is the same reason why you don't see as many NOVA students applying to Duke, Emory, Vanderbilt, etc. Again, why would you go to any of those schools if money is at all of an issue? You can quibble all you want over which of these is "better," but there's no denying that in academic circles they're all considered to be in the same tier. Ask any random sampling of professors or students at any one of these schools and the majority will agree.

This is OP and my DD wants a smaller school that is not so Greek and southern-feeling and she thinks she’d like to go to a school where most kids aren’t from VA. She’s not insulting UVA, which is great for people who want that type of school. Plus, isn’t UVA super hard to get into from NOVA anyway?

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Anonymous wrote:If you're gonna get into Georgetown from NOVA you're also going to get into UVA. Why pay double for Georgetown when UVA is a better school?

Well, one of the reasons being that's not necessarily true, especially in the humanities and international affairs (which are ironically UVA's strength compared to other publics)

Georgetown is also much smaller, located in a great part of DC, attracts a very large number of students from across the world that tend to be political/financial elites of their respective countries.

Much better than attending a school full of rural public school kids who can't keep up, 66% in-state and the rest being upper-middle-class suburbanites from NYC metro.

If tuition and cost of living are not an issue, these are very good reasons to attend Georgetown over UVA.

UVA is 34k a year in state. Georgetown is 76k. Georgetown has a paltry endowment, a tiny campus, and is largely populated by Ivy League rejects. It is not known in broad academic circles as better than UVA. They're considered peer institutions. Even if money isn't an issue, there's no reason to attend Georgetown over UVA.

Very weird post. Georgetown is full of Ivy rejects and UVA is full of community college students with guaranteed admissions.

There are various reasons to attend UVA over Georgetown. Some being money, majoring in engineering/natural sciences, wanting a smaller college town, wanting a larger student population, wanting Greek life, etc.

There are also various reasons to attend Georgetown over UVA. Much smaller school, better humanities and foreign affairs, located in a great neighborhood of DC, no Greek Life, stronger student population on average, etc.

The fact that you can't envision why one would choose Georgetown over UVA reflects rather poorly on you.

I work at Georgetown. Lots of children of staff/faculty attend because of the major tuition discount; I believe they get an admissions tip, as well. Totally speculating here, but I wonder if it’s harder for other DC-area kids to get in because of that?

Georgetown, UMD, USNA and Hopkins are all light years more important to the United States and the world than UVA.