Anonymous wrote:It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

It is different because there is a pandemic. The relative or nanny or small at home daycare people may have used before may not be available. Also, your post assumes that pre-covid, teachers didn't face these very same choices you had to make. And now, everyone's mileage varies. I would not be comfortable sending my young child to pre-school at this point (if I had one), whereas I wouldn't have thought twice about it before. People (everyone) are having to make different choices than they would have a year ago.

Have you seen how many women have been pushed out of the workforce this year either due to childcare, unemployment, or discrimination? We have a lot of problems to deal with for a lot of people.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you take parental leave for your children's birth? Do you think family leave is something that should only be offered to you and not other people? Or only in professions that aren't female dominated?

How does it feel, if you're a woman who has benefited from feminism to be on the other side?

I am not screaming about this or anything else. But I'd ask you, what were these teachers doing for childcare pre-Covid? Some teachers are saying they can't afford to pay for childcare, but are also saying that parents that have to work outside ( as more and more things continue to open) should go hire someone and stop complaining.

The few teachers who have had to quit are not complaining; they are taking the hit by leaving their jobs or taking a leave of absence. For many people, their pre-covid childcare plans have disappeared. Not sure why you would expect teachers to not have similar problems.

MOST of everyone's pre-covid childcare plans were public schooling. It's like the chicken or the egg problem. We all need every public school to open so that we ALL can return to work, teachers included.

People with young children did not have public school as an option. I think we seem to forget that school-aged children are not the only children out there. I know as a parent of a teenager, I sometimes do, but I see my all my friends with younger kids struggling, teachers and non-teachers. I think there needs to be more room for everyone for empathy and understanding that schools aren't closed to make our lives difficult.

But at this point, they're not closed for any good reason.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP.

I agree that it is fun to conflate parental leave which is non controversial and exists with childcare leave, which is hypocritical and not a real thing.

It doesn't exist for you. Get a job with better benefits next time.

i would love to see the description for leave which just says "I can not do my job and get paid bc I have kids who are not in daycare"

Both parents and teachers are eligible for childcare leave through FMLA or the CARES Act. What’s the big deal if someone takes it? Being a parent is a nightmare right now.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you take parental leave for your children's birth? Do you think family leave is something that should only be offered to you and not other people? Or only in professions that aren't female dominated?

How does it feel, if you're a woman who has benefited from feminism to be on the other side?

I am not screaming about this or anything else. But I'd ask you, what were these teachers doing for childcare pre-Covid? Some teachers are saying they can't afford to pay for childcare, but are also saying that parents that have to work outside ( as more and more things continue to open) should go hire someone and stop complaining.

The few teachers who have had to quit are not complaining; they are taking the hit by leaving their jobs or taking a leave of absence. For many people, their pre-covid childcare plans have disappeared. Not sure why you would expect teachers to not have similar problems.

MOST of everyone's pre-covid childcare plans were public schooling. It's like the chicken or the egg problem. We all need every public school to open so that we ALL can return to work, teachers included.

People with young children did not have public school as an option. I think we seem to forget that school-aged children are not the only children out there. I know as a parent of a teenager, I sometimes do, but I see my all my friends with younger kids struggling, teachers and non-teachers. I think there needs to be more room for everyone for empathy and understanding that schools aren't closed to make our lives difficult.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP.

I agree that it is fun to conflate parental leave which is non controversial and exists with childcare leave, which is hypocritical and not a real thing.

It doesn't exist for you. Get a job with better benefits next time.

It's just odd, because the rest of us already had to make these choices (quit to care for kids, hire child care, move a family member in, etc).

I'm lost as to how this is different for teachers.

Like, before the pandemic, were teachers just allowed to not work because they had non-newborns? Obviously not.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you take parental leave for your children's birth? Do you think family leave is something that should only be offered to you and not other people? Or only in professions that aren't female dominated?

How does it feel, if you're a woman who has benefited from feminism to be on the other side?

I am not screaming about this or anything else. But I'd ask you, what were these teachers doing for childcare pre-Covid? Some teachers are saying they can't afford to pay for childcare, but are also saying that parents that have to work outside ( as more and more things continue to open) should go hire someone and stop complaining.

The few teachers who have had to quit are not complaining; they are taking the hit by leaving their jobs or taking a leave of absence. For many people, their pre-covid childcare plans have disappeared. Not sure why you would expect teachers to not have similar problems.

MOST of everyone's pre-covid childcare plans were public schooling. It's like the chicken or the egg problem. We all need every public school to open so that we ALL can return to work, teachers included.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you take parental leave for your children's birth? Do you think family leave is something that should only be offered to you and not other people? Or only in professions that aren't female dominated?

How does it feel, if you're a woman who has benefited from feminism to be on the other side?

I am not screaming about this or anything else. But I'd ask you, what were these teachers doing for childcare pre-Covid? Some teachers are saying they can't afford to pay for childcare, but are also saying that parents that have to work outside ( as more and more things continue to open) should go hire someone and stop complaining.

The few teachers who have had to quit are not complaining; they are taking the hit by leaving their jobs or taking a leave of absence. For many people, their pre-covid childcare plans have disappeared. Not sure why you would expect teachers to not have similar problems.

I agree with OP.

I agree that it is fun to conflate parental leave which is non controversial and exists with childcare leave, which is hypocritical and not a real thing.

All the parents whining amuses me. You were warned this would happen. People said if teachers were forced back into the classroom and they weren't interested - either because of safety or care reasons - they would leave work.

YOU said 'well we'll hire new teachers'.

Okay then. Go find that mysterious flock of certified, educated teachers who are free to come into your classrooms. Go on. Shoo.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is the childcare leave people are talking about. Parents have been unable to work because teachers aren't back in person. Teachers and school districts have no sympathy- they said to hire childcare. And now teachers are saying they can't work because of daycare and childcare issues.

I think you are confusing not having sympathy with not having a solution to everyone's problems. Plenty of people have had to make the hard decision to leave the workforce to care for their children. I know two teachers who had to quit during online learning this year because they could not work and take care of young kids; last spring was a disaster. Why should anyone be angry a teachers for having to make this decision?

Anonymous wrote:Did you take parental leave for your children's birth? Do you think family leave is something that should only be offered to you and not other people? Or only in professions that aren't female dominated?

How does it feel, if you're a woman who has benefited from feminism to be on the other side?

I am not screaming about this or anything else. But I'd ask you, what were these teachers doing for childcare pre-Covid? Some teachers are saying they can't afford to pay for childcare, but are also saying that parents that have to work outside ( as more and more things continue to open) should go hire someone and stop complaining.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is the childcare leave people are talking about. Parents have been unable to work because teachers aren't back in person. Teachers and school districts have no sympathy- they said to hire childcare. And now teachers are saying they can't work because of daycare and childcare issues.

Yes, this.

Yes, the issue is teachers saying they can't work because they have kids at home. It's mindblowing.

Why is it mind blowing? They can't work, so they won't. A lot of non-teachers, and mostly women, have had to make that choice. They are not getting paid, they are not working, their career is hurting.

Anonymous wrote:Thought FCPS is letting them bring their kids 4 days a week to address that though?

Even very young children?