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Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Where are the data showing that students who have been participating in full day distance learning since September have learning loss compared with children who have been attending in person instruction since September?

If students withdraw from school, that is a separate issue.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

And this means what exactly? So many parents here keep claiming they are sending their kids to privates or homeschools.

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Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

The school dropout rate of online schools is very high. Much higher than in person whether public or private.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

No, they can’t really. Our schools have had summer months to prep and then 5-6 months to fine-tune their DL programs. It will be hard for the European schools to jump into DL.

You think they haven't been preparing this whole time?? Their Europeans not chimpanzees!

It’s harder to teach f2f and prep for DL simultaneously, don’t you think? It’s like working 2 jobs. US teachers had the whole summer to do it.

We did? I am not employed by the school district in the summer so no we did not prepare for it. We had a few days of PDs in the summer but none had to do with concurrent teaching. Very few teachers have ever taught this way.

Oh my god the test scores are falling. The test scores are falling!!!

If you care about the test scores in 10 years vs the lung and heart capacity of your child and their teachers I can’t ever help you.

You will not care about these test scores in 10 years. On your deathbed you will not scream oh if only I could have improved my child’s test scores

There has been no test comparing students year to year. Because these tests haven’t happened

And guess what it’s all the children- all the children will fumble and fail

And please stop worrying about bipoc kids test scores this year when you never cared before.spare us.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

All the test scores, locally and nationwide, show learning loss. I suppose you could disregard them, if you don't like it.

Which test scores please?

BTW, I am not talking about what happened last spring, which was crisis schooling. But my school district has been doing distance teaching since September. A full five months of planned distance teaching; all day schedule. Please show me the data that show this type of teaching resulted in learning loss compared with schools who have been doing hybrid instruction or in person instruction for the same period of time.

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

Build in breaks? How long does it take to calm a surge?

Seems it takes a really long time in the US.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

I'm pushing back on claims of learning loss.

What data do you have to show that virtual schooling results in learning loss? Has it ever been tried before in the US to this extent?

All the test scores, locally and nationwide, show learning loss. I suppose you could disregard them, if you don't like it.

Which test scores please?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

No, they can’t really. Our schools have had summer months to prep and then 5-6 months to fine-tune their DL programs. It will be hard for the European schools to jump into DL.

You think they haven't been preparing this whole time?? Their Europeans not chimpanzees!

It’s harder to teach f2f and prep for DL simultaneously, don’t you think? It’s like working 2 jobs. US teachers had the whole summer to do it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

No, they can’t really. Our schools have had summer months to prep and then 5-6 months to fine-tune their DL programs. It will be hard for the European schools to jump into DL.

You think they haven't been preparing this whole time?? Their Europeans not chimpanzees!

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Anonymous wrote:In Europe, part of the issue is that the countries are massively behind on the vaccine compared to Asia and the US.

I've seen that. Is the issue delivery of the vaccines to the countries or is it distribution inside the countries?

It's both. They were late in ordering and internal approvals, and they do not have robust distribution.

Also, the kids have been in school. So, they are facing a more contagious variant without a good vaccine plan, and their kids have had a lot of school already. It makes sense in their context, but I don't think is all that relevant to here.

Anonymous wrote:Europe can afford to go back to virtual because so many of their kids have been in-person. That means there is less urgency to get back because the mental health and learning loss are much lower than here. We should have been back from the start so we could build in breaks during surges.

No, they can’t really. Our schools have had summer months to prep and then 5-6 months to fine-tune their DL programs. It will be hard for the European schools to jump into DL.

Anonymous wrote:In Europe, part of the issue is that the countries are massively behind on the vaccine compared to Asia and the US.

I've seen that. Is the issue delivery of the vaccines to the countries or is it distribution inside the countries?

Anyone who has a child knows they are falling behind. My son ended his quarter with a 95% and yet I know for a fact he's bored out of his mind. He's not being challenged when normally he has no complaints.

In Europe, part of the issue is that the countries are massively behind on the vaccine compared to Asia and the US.