Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 21:47     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.


It should always been investigated if there is concern. But many people who have no knowledge of crowd control assume things are done inappropriately and base their opinions of police work on ignorance. This gets amplified through social media and now millions hate the police, for no legitimate reason. I'm not saying there aren't things to improve, or that there isn't systemic racism. There is. But policy improvements need to be based on fact. Not Monday morning quarterbacks.....
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 20:17     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some of us have always “liked” the idea of law enforcement. We just want it to be well-trained, not-racist, and not crazy. I know, love, and trust several members of the law enforcement community.
I also know that I could call 911 and end up face to face with a cop that attends Trump rallies for fun and won’t view me as a human being. We can do better. Even many cops agree with this.


You'd think that was a low bar, and yet...


Anf yet what? MPD , if anything, should be empowered more. Sure, hand some of their functions to social services. But social services arent tackling a riot or chasing Ak 47 weilding carjackers. MPD should be adequately trained, supervised, and also given the tools + guidelines they need. I hope our City Council can be a little less school marmy and a little more proactive.


Easy... Police pursue. They call social services during their high speed chase. At the rollover or whatever, they do crowd control while the social services duty person disarms the AK-47 welding carjacker, realizes they are probably teens and calls child services. Child servo es arrives asks of they had a job and makes a reservation for a summer jobs spot.

We can get this to work. Everybody just needs to be on speed dial.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 16:53     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some of us have always “liked” the idea of law enforcement. We just want it to be well-trained, not-racist, and not crazy. I know, love, and trust several members of the law enforcement community.
I also know that I could call 911 and end up face to face with a cop that attends Trump rallies for fun and won’t view me as a human being. We can do better. Even many cops agree with this.


You'd think that was a low bar, and yet...


Anf yet what? MPD , if anything, should be empowered more. Sure, hand some of their functions to social services. But social services arent tackling a riot or chasing Ak 47 weilding carjackers. MPD should be adequately trained, supervised, and also given the tools + guidelines they need. I hope our City Council can be a little less school marmy and a little more proactive.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 16:07     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:Some of us have always “liked” the idea of law enforcement. We just want it to be well-trained, not-racist, and not crazy. I know, love, and trust several members of the law enforcement community.
I also know that I could call 911 and end up face to face with a cop that attends Trump rallies for fun and won’t view me as a human being. We can do better. Even many cops agree with this.


You'd think that was a low bar, and yet...
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:54     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Some of us have always “liked” the idea of law enforcement. We just want it to be well-trained, not-racist, and not crazy. I know, love, and trust several members of the law enforcement community.
I also know that I could call 911 and end up face to face with a cop that attends Trump rallies for fun and won’t view me as a human being. We can do better. Even many cops agree with this.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:47     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.


Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.


Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.


Um. No. That's not why.

Also, "if Trump had called in the National Guard to protect the Capitol against his own supporters" is a statement that is inherently absurd.


Obviously you don't understand how the National Guard works. It takes several days to gather them together. You don't just say "hey can I get a couple hundred NG over here now?"


NP: True. Which makes it even more troubling that the Capitol Police did not do this in the face of a very openly planned terrorist event.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:30     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Police are bad if they are restraining leftist social movements.

Police are good if they are restraining rightist social movements.

All you need to know
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:28     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.


Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.


Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.


Um. No. That's not why.

Also, "if Trump had called in the National Guard to protect the Capitol against his own supporters" is a statement that is inherently absurd.


Obviously you don't understand how the National Guard works. It takes several days to gather them together. You don't just say "hey can I get a couple hundred NG over here now?"


This ^

Calling the guard in the middle of a riot will never work. They are not siting around waiting to be called up. They are at work in your hospitals and city government.

If you want forces now to reinforce your police force you get regular Army and that even takes time because the "rules for the use of force" need to be worked out because those soldiers normally train under rules of engagement which do not apply in the US.

Oh and you can't get Marines because they actually have a law which prevents them from being employed unarmed.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:09     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP, I'm hoping that you're just as quick to condemn the many times when police use tear gas, pepper spray, and vehicular chases inappropriately.


Aren't these examples you are referring to already investigated.

OP is making the point that you can't neuter a police force and then call for those same skills. Yes you can hold accountable and apparently according to MPD, the Mayor and the City Council, there was already a process in place to hold accountable.

Instead we as a city opted to strip MPD of a capability we are now pleading for.


Exactly. Remember when Trump called in the National Guard for the protests and riots (yes there were riots/fires/violence) and people howled and screamed that he was trying to be a military dictator. The decision was made after that to not bring in the NG for the remainder of the summer because of the optics of a coup.
If Trump had called up several hundred NG to protect the Capitol on the 6th people would have lost their collective minds. There are no two ways around that.
I will also remind DCUM that everyone was laughing that the small dick incels wouldn't have enough of them show up to field a baseball team. Remember that?
Now the press cannot stop their hero worship with police interviews of how horrible it was to get hit with objects and tear gas (funny how they didn't get that same empathy during the summer) after calling the police murders all last year.


Um. No. That's not why.

Also, "if Trump had called in the National Guard to protect the Capitol against his own supporters" is a statement that is inherently absurd.


Obviously you don't understand how the National Guard works. It takes several days to gather them together. You don't just say "hey can I get a couple hundred NG over here now?"
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 15:01     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Adding on- we also saw yesterday why police need to be able to give pursuit in defined circumstances. There is no way to "catch" someone now aftee the fact based on footage, with stolen plates, masks, winter clithing etc obscuring the crime. You need to physically apprehend car thieves and jackers and gun waving bandit fools in the act to stop this blight. And sometimes, that takes a chase.


They weren't even trying yesterday. They just let those people walk out and go home. They were in a building, and they could have fairly easily rounded them up, handcuffed them, and carted them off to jail. They didn't even try. But somehow, that proves that they should be able to engage in high-speed pursuits on city streets?

One thing that Wednesday showed me was how easily officers could show restraint, which makes it all the more egregious when they don't exercise restraint against people who are much less of a threat than literal rioters and seditionists.


I referring to the 3 armed carjackings last night and the police pursuit that apprehended some of the alleged carjackers.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 14:54     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:Adding on- we also saw yesterday why police need to be able to give pursuit in defined circumstances. There is no way to "catch" someone now aftee the fact based on footage, with stolen plates, masks, winter clithing etc obscuring the crime. You need to physically apprehend car thieves and jackers and gun waving bandit fools in the act to stop this blight. And sometimes, that takes a chase.


They weren't even trying yesterday. They just let those people walk out and go home. They were in a building, and they could have fairly easily rounded them up, handcuffed them, and carted them off to jail. They didn't even try. But somehow, that proves that they should be able to engage in high-speed pursuits on city streets?

One thing that Wednesday showed me was how easily officers could show restraint, which makes it all the more egregious when they don't exercise restraint against people who are much less of a threat than literal rioters and seditionists.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 14:47     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:Adding on- we also saw yesterday why police need to be able to give pursuit in defined circumstances. There is no way to "catch" someone now aftee the fact based on footage, with stolen plates, masks, winter clithing etc obscuring the crime. You need to physically apprehend car thieves and jackers and gun waving bandit fools in the act to stop this blight. And sometimes, that takes a chase.


You also need to not run people over and kill them while you're chasing other people. Which is the reason for no-chase policies.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 14:40     Subject: Re:Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Adding on- we also saw yesterday why police need to be able to give pursuit in defined circumstances. There is no way to "catch" someone now aftee the fact based on footage, with stolen plates, masks, winter clithing etc obscuring the crime. You need to physically apprehend car thieves and jackers and gun waving bandit fools in the act to stop this blight. And sometimes, that takes a chase.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 14:37     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
Anonymous wrote:It's almost like different situations are different. It's also almost like police actually doing their jobs well are commended, while those who are not are condemned. It's also almost like different people can have nuance -- MPD did a pretty good job on Wednesday. The Capitol Police, despite the heroism of individual officers, f*&^ed it up royally.


Except that MPD who used riot control measures this summer were also having stuff tbrown at them and were finger wagged after. Police oversight and accountability and clear guidelines are good. City Council getting super scoldy and making arbitrary rules over police AND Mayoral obections to point score is not so good. And obviously we saw on 1/6 why tear gas is a reliable riot control measure.
Anonymous
Post 01/12/2021 14:16     Subject: Seems like DC people might "like" the idea of law enforcement again?
It's almost like different situations are different. It's also almost like police actually doing their jobs well are commended, while those who are not are condemned. It's also almost like different people can have nuance -- MPD did a pretty good job on Wednesday. The Capitol Police, despite the heroism of individual officers, f*&^ed it up royally.