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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

As for McLean White, I do know they have guest played some "Green" kids and maybe ECNL kids for their NCSL games this Fall. I'm not saying they did this for a result. I just know they did in at least two games that I saw.

At u9-u12 yes for sure. U13+ the gap is not large, if there is one.

Anonymous wrote:for girls, NPL is strong at U11 and U12 - before many of those players all move on to ECNL or GAL.

Starting at U13, NPL for girls is roughly equivalent to CCL 1 and the top half of NCSL division 1

My experience was that CCL 1 was a big step up from NCSL. Had a daughter on a team that won NCSL div 1 without losing a game (as far as I remember). Then club switched to CCL so the team played in CCL the following year and they lost most of their games. This was a few years back mind you - so it's possible things have changed.

Does anyone know what team she is referring to? Is NPL adding a new club in Virginia?

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

Where is mclean’s second team in this age group playing? Are you certain that White 07 is not the second team in this group? I don’t see any games for McLean Green at that age.

I believe McLean's second team plays in CCL.

CCL 2.

Looking at McLean pretty much tells you all you need to know.

Team League Record (W-L-D) Position
First ECNL 1-8-1 15th/16
Second CCL 2 5-2-0 3rd/11
Third NCSL 1 4-4-1 7th/10

A club whose first team can't buy a game in ECNL has a 2nd team which is competitive in CCL 2 and a 3rd team which is competitive in NCSL division 1.

Anonymous wrote:All of these leagues are deeply flawed, but in regards to NPL, the issue is the clubs participating aren't great. The big clubs (locally PWSI, VSA, Vienna on some level) send or lose their best players to higher leagues at u12/13 and the bottom of the league (CYA, VIVA) are so bad that it's not worth playing them in most age groups. Add in the couple trips down 95, a "state cup" with the same teams you just played, and a league playing catch up to CCL in terms of what it offers. *Disclaimer* This is not an endorsement of CCL, but a simple fact that NPL is trying to replicate some of the same things CCL has done.

Like any other league though, you could land in a team that's great for your kid, so it shouldn't be the determining factor.

Good summary.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

Where is mclean’s second team in this age group playing? Are you certain that White 07 is not the second team in this group? I don’t see any games for McLean Green at that age.

I believe McLean's second team plays in CCL.

CCL 2.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

Where is mclean’s second team in this age group playing? Are you certain that White 07 is not the second team in this group? I don’t see any games for McLean Green at that age.

I believe McLean's second team plays in CCL.

And yes - McLean's pecking order is ECNL, green, white.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

Where is mclean’s second team in this age group playing? Are you certain that White 07 is not the second team in this group? I don’t see any games for McLean Green at that age.

I believe McLean's second team plays in CCL.

All of these leagues are deeply flawed, but in regards to NPL, the issue is the clubs participating aren't great. The big clubs (locally PWSI, VSA, Vienna on some level) send or lose their best players to higher leagues at u12/13 and the bottom of the league (CYA, VIVA) are so bad that it's not worth playing them in most age groups. Add in the couple trips down 95, a "state cup" with the same teams you just played, and a league playing catch up to CCL in terms of what it offers. *Disclaimer* This is not an endorsement of CCL, but a simple fact that NPL is trying to replicate some of the same things CCL has done.

Like any other league though, you could land in a team that's great for your kid, so it shouldn't be the determining factor.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

Where is mclean’s second team in this age group playing? Are you certain that White 07 is not the second team in this group? I don’t see any games for McLean Green at that age.

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Anonymous wrote:DH has officiated games for that league as well as CCL, NCSL, EDP.

He believes NPL to be above the mentioned. However, my DD’s club is making a switch and ditching EDP and NCSL to play exclusively in NPL.

Should I be worried and leave to another club or not? One thing is to make a few extra $ on the side running around with a whistle and another the development of your child.

I'm not sure what league your kid plays in has anything to do with what league your husband should ref more frequently.

Honestly, your husband should not ref the same league that your DD plays in.

NPL has only one group. EDP and NCSL have many, not fair to compare NPL to a lower bracket of NCSL or EDP. NPL does not have a Spring season for HS aged teams.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.

1. You're picking the two worst ECNL clubs in an age group where they both have bad teams even by their own standards.

2. Even then I'm not sure I agree with your assertion the clubs you name can beat them consistently. If you were talking about Alexandria Red I would agree - but Alexandria Red plays in CCL - it's Alexandria's second team playing in NCSL. McLean's third team plays in NCSL division 1 and the results against the teams you mention were as follows:

Lost 2-1 to Alexandria White
Lost 3-0 to PAC
Lost 6-0 to BAC.

Those are scarcely results that indicate that those teams would consitently beat even McLean's second team, let alone its first team.

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Anonymous wrote:CCL is a joke. Would not compete with EDP or ECNL or GAL.

Not for the first time, and not for the last time: those who talk about leagues generally don't like talking about their club, those who talk only club don't like talking about their kid's team or their kid, and those who talk incessantly about their kid's team often cannot talk about their kid. Enough with this nonsense.

Somebody asked a question about league strength and someone else answered. A third person entered the conversation stating that all leagues were similar. The third person is talking rubbish and I pointed it out. I'm not bragging on (or ashamed of) my kids, their clubs, their leagues or anything else because that's completely irrelevant to the question that was asked. FWIW I have several kids of widely differing abilities who, between them, have played in every one of those leagues for several different clubs. I don't have any particular affiliation with any league or club - just a desire to give a good answer to the OP.

There is a pretty clear difference in the level of soccer played in the different leagues - and anybody who thinks that there are several boys NCSL division 1 teams who can compete withn ECNL teams is just talking nonsense - and the person who asked the question in the first place should know that.

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Anonymous wrote:All the leagues are fairly equal dont buy into the BS. There are quite a few boys NCSL Division 1 teams that will consistently beat local ECNL teams. A few ODSL teams that joined NCSL for the fall actually held their own. CCL falls right in line with all the other leagues. Focus on where your child will develop as an individual player the most. Find the best fit for her I promise you The league differences aren't that big of a difference.

Sorry but this isn't true. The leagues are not fairly equal. The best CCL teams are good and would doubtless beat some ECNL teams as would the best NPL/EDP teams beat some CCL teams and the best NCSL teams would beat some NPL/EDP teams. But there no NCSL division 1 teams that would stand a chance of beating most of the ECNL teams, and very few that would beat even the worst ECNL team on a consistent basis.

I promise you the U14 teams in the NCSL D1 BAC united , Alexandria, and PAC ac. can all beat both BRYC and Mclean u14 ECNL teams consistently. Ive watched all 5 teams play multiple times over the past 2 years. I have also coached U-9 thru U17 boys soccer for over 15 years and hold a B License. Parents on message boards drink the Kool Aid and want to believe where their child plays is better than the next. Honestly some of the kids in the local Bolivian league are far better than any local or national league area players. The player pools are so big area wide it kinda evens the leagues out. The bigger clubs will never admit this but thats their selling points.