Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:18     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
There are 1.1 million kids in the NYC school system. It's the largest in the country.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:17     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.


This is really racist.


Not the PP but it is accurate. Spanish speaking kids are in ESOL for average of 4 years. Asians in ESOL the average is 8 months. Income is not a factor. Poor Asians kids outpace Hispanics and AA kids within 6 months, low income whites within a year, and middle income white kids within 2 years of entering an American school.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:17     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.


If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.


I think that's the point. No matter what you think about the diversity or equity efforts it is impacting kids of all races. It could be the parents "fault" for being so upset but MCPS needs to recognize that they are upset and that this is impacting the school community. They have created these divisions and need to step up and recognize this is a problem.


I have many many issues with MCPS, but they are humoring a select group of parents and keep spending millions vs. doing things that need to get done like changing boundaries to alleviate overcrowding. They just need to step up and do it and stop wasting money and time.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:17     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
The set up at NYC schools is much more complicated than at MCPS, PP.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:16     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Let's say it is on them. But it's still impacting my kid who is hearing these comments directed at her!


That's awful, and I'm sorry it is happening to your daughter. Blaming MCPS rather than racist parents stoking racial/ethnic grievances is not the way forward, though. Now, blame MCPS if they don't deal with racialized bullying, but not for the fact that some parents are allowing racialized bullying to happen.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:15     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Let's say it is on them. But it's still impacting my kid who is hearing these comments directed at her!


The parents who are saying it and teaching their kids don't care about how it impacts your child or how it continues the racial divide.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:15     Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There should be seats for every qualifying student. Academic metrics should be focused on critical thought, analysis, etc. Asian Americans (a term that encompasses so many disparate countries it is basically meaningless) should not be lumped together.

Their commonality isn't racial, anyway. It's that they are all coming from families educated enough and (in many cases) affluent enough to get into the USA. The common thread is the pattern of immigration--one that is quite different than the pattern for Central Americans. I suspect recent African immigrants from Nigeria and Ethiopia would also fall into the same 'Asian' category.

But there should be seats to challenge all students that want to be challenged.


I don't know if this is true for MCPS even though people think it's true. In NYC the Asian kids getting into the magnets are overwhelmingly FARMS! They are very poor.


MCPS is very different and very different school set up. There are very limited spots (hundreds) for 165K students. Its much easier in NYC and most other areas.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:14     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Let's say it is on them. But it's still impacting my kid who is hearing these comments directed at her!
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:13     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.


If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.


I think that's the point. No matter what you think about the diversity or equity efforts it is impacting kids of all races. It could be the parents "fault" for being so upset but MCPS needs to recognize that they are upset and that this is impacting the school community. They have created these divisions and need to step up and recognize this is a problem.


What? No. I don't think the rollout for all of this has been perfect, but take some responsibility. If parents are making racist comments at home, or stoking racial resentment at home, that's on them.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:13     Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:There should be seats for every qualifying student. Academic metrics should be focused on critical thought, analysis, etc. Asian Americans (a term that encompasses so many disparate countries it is basically meaningless) should not be lumped together.

Their commonality isn't racial, anyway. It's that they are all coming from families educated enough and (in many cases) affluent enough to get into the USA. The common thread is the pattern of immigration--one that is quite different than the pattern for Central Americans. I suspect recent African immigrants from Nigeria and Ethiopia would also fall into the same 'Asian' category.

But there should be seats to challenge all students that want to be challenged.


I don't know if this is true for MCPS even though people think it's true. In NYC the Asian kids getting into the magnets are overwhelmingly FARMS! They are very poor.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:11     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.


If kids are turning on other kids, then you need to look at what those kids are hearing at home.


I think that's the point. No matter what you think about the diversity or equity efforts it is impacting kids of all races. It could be the parents "fault" for being so upset but MCPS needs to recognize that they are upset and that this is impacting the school community. They have created these divisions and need to step up and recognize this is a problem.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:11     Subject: Re:Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
There should be seats for every qualifying student. Academic metrics should be focused on critical thought, analysis, etc. Asian Americans (a term that encompasses so many disparate countries it is basically meaningless) should not be lumped together.

Their commonality isn't racial, anyway. It's that they are all coming from families educated enough and (in many cases) affluent enough to get into the USA. The common thread is the pattern of immigration--one that is quite different than the pattern for Central Americans. I suspect recent African immigrants from Nigeria and Ethiopia would also fall into the same 'Asian' category.

But there should be seats to challenge all students that want to be challenged.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:10     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You know math don't you? If they make up 80% of those with high schools but only get 50% of the seats that is discrimination. I don't know if this is right but just saying what you wrote is really not a great way to look at things.


Do you have a citation for the 80% of "those with high schools" statistic? And isn't admission race-blind?


Not the PP, and actually think the PP is being problematic with this model minority nonsense, but to answer your question: Yes, admissions are race-blind but they are not geography blind. This is the premise for the "discrimination" claims, because MCPS has taken steps to ensure more geographic diversity, but the specific UMC Asian American families who are crying discrimination tend to also be tightly geographically concentrated. Never mind that there are more Asian American families living outside those geographic areas than inside them.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:08     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:Because Asians take education seriously no matter what their income level. They are barely in ESOL. Their parents learn English relatively fast. They are Usually are discriminated AGAINST for magnets and still do well overall. They don’t have issues of neglect. So MCPS ignores them.

They are more concerned with hispanics because their parents don’t care about education or assimilating with English.


This is really racist.
Anonymous
Post 12/08/2020 14:08     Subject: Why doesn't MCPS care about Asian-Americans and feelings of bias/discrimination?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Agree that Asians and Whites get lumped together but this whole situation has created tensions between Black parents and students and Asians and White parents and students and Asians. MCPS doesn't seem to care. If they were really listening they would know kids are turning on other kids due to race because the district has been so opaque about how it goes about ensuring equity. It is creating a lot of resentment and it is the students who are suffering.


A group that is 10% of the population but gets 50% of the magnet seats feels discriminated against?


As a white person, they probably deserve more than 50% magnets. Please stop making it seem like they don’t deserve it.