Anonymous
Post 11/02/2020 13:01     Subject: Re:Muriel Bowser HAS GOT TO GO
Anonymous wrote:The kid was riding on the sidewalk and could have hit a pedestrian. He was unhelmeted. The police intervened to help, not hurt IMO. Unfortunately there was a tragic result, but its one his choices led to. There is such thing as right/wrong and good/bad decisions. Awful situation. I wish the male brain was wired to not be so teen-aged for so long. The best thing we can do as a society is provide opportunities for young men to be productively and gainfully busy, as well as have consequences from the get go that they can learn from in a lower stakes way so they dont put themselves and others to higher and higher risk. extremely sad, will wait til facts are out, but so far its really not looking like police are at any fault.


"He wasn't wearing a helmet!"

Jesus, listen to yourself.
Anonymous
Post 10/30/2020 12:01     Subject: Muriel Bowser HAS GOT TO GO
Mayor has to go, but not for this issue. This kid was taking a risk, and he lost with his life. It is what we call natural consequence.

I don't flee from police, I wear a helmet, I obey the traffic laws, and would not ride a scooter in a reckless way.

Sucks, but I side with the police here, even if he were being followed by them. In fact, I wish there was more police pursuits as long as they could do so in a careful way to avoid injuring the innocent. Meaning speeds would need to be limited and reckless driving prohibited by police. this is not Hollywood. You can follow someone and keep an eye on him while calling for backup. They do it all the time.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2020 16:07     Subject: Re:Muriel Bowser HAS GOT TO GO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree that Bowser is proving to be ineffective in many ways, but I think there is a lot of information about the scooter accident that we don't know. I'm not sure how you can argue that the police are responsible for him crashing the scooter. There are a lot of intervening factors here and the dots don't quite connect. This doesn't seem to be akin to other situations where the police are directly responsible for killing someone.


Think about spending time with people who understand what it's like to be harassed by MPD then come back and tell us what you think.


I understand your point. To me, this particular incident is not so clear cut, though. He was riding a scooter without a helmet, apparently fleeing from police. He crashed. It's awful, no question. Should MPD have stopped him in the first place? Maybe not, sounds like it may have been a pretext. Was MPD negligent in causing his death? Maybe. Is it the same situation as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor or any of the other POC who have been killed by police? No.


In most cases it's not 100% the fault of one party or the other. Anyone can try to find some fault in the victim's behavior in any case. But we don't control individuals. We do control the police as an arm of the government. That's where we should focus our attention. And we can't wait for only the most clear cut cases. This guy's life mattered too.
Anonymous
Post 10/29/2020 16:01     Subject: Re:Muriel Bowser HAS GOT TO GO
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I agree that Bowser is proving to be ineffective in many ways, but I think there is a lot of information about the scooter accident that we don't know. I'm not sure how you can argue that the police are responsible for him crashing the scooter. There are a lot of intervening factors here and the dots don't quite connect. This doesn't seem to be akin to other situations where the police are directly responsible for killing someone.


Think about spending time with people who understand what it's like to be harassed by MPD then come back and tell us what you think.


I understand your point. To me, this particular incident is not so clear cut, though. He was riding a scooter without a helmet, apparently fleeing from police. He crashed. It's awful, no question. Should MPD have stopped him in the first place? Maybe not, sounds like it may have been a pretext. Was MPD negligent in causing his death? Maybe. Is it the same situation as George Floyd, Breonna Taylor or any of the other POC who have been killed by police? No.