Anonymous
11/08/2020 21:01
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:First, teachers wanted to work at home. Well— part of the problem with working from home is your work creeping into your home life. Work from home is great. Until your boss wants to chat at 8pm. Most of us have to suck it up and take the call. Think long and hard before demanding indefinite telework.
And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.
Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.
Moral of the story:
If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.
And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.
And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.
Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.
Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.
Bless your heart.
...yeah except you can’t even sit in a waiting room anymore. You have to sit in your car and wait for them to call you. But so many doctors and nurses insist opening schools is safe and that teachers are somehow committing a dereliction of duty by demanding safe working conditions. I can’t say I understand how sitting in a waiting room for 30 minutes is much riskier than breathing the same air as a group of people for seven hours, five days a week. There is no logic behind that. I guess medical providers are not so brave after all.
Teachers are not calling you “demanding” that you talk then. They are calling you because it is their professional duty to provide outreach. Trust me, no one wants to talk to you that badly. If you want the teacher to call your husband then tell them that. Why are you telling us? Just as many parents get angry if we call the second person on the contact list (dad, grandma, whatever the case may be for that particular family). You need to make that clear. I have some families where dad is the primary contact and some mom, while some ask that I text or email them in a group message. No one knows what you want unless you communicate with them.
That Pp was crazy. But the waiting room doesn’t add value; being in school does. It is a question of risk for no reward or risk for massive rewards. Don’t be dense.
Anonymous
11/08/2020 11:33
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
I’m going to make a confession:
Grades are not due for almost a week. Students know this. Parents know this. The emails keeping coming. If it was a polite email, I stopped grading to answer it. But every time you or your offspring sent a RUDE email demanding to know the final grade immediately, I moved your kid’s work further down the digital grading “pile”.
Eventually you’ll see their final grade, but it might be 59 seconds before teachers have to certify the final grade.
I fully acknowledge the pettiness of this, but pettiness is the tool of the powerless.
Grades are not due for almost a week. Students know this. Parents know this. The emails keeping coming. If it was a polite email, I stopped grading to answer it. But every time you or your offspring sent a RUDE email demanding to know the final grade immediately, I moved your kid’s work further down the digital grading “pile”.
Eventually you’ll see their final grade, but it might be 59 seconds before teachers have to certify the final grade.
I fully acknowledge the pettiness of this, but pettiness is the tool of the powerless.
Anonymous
11/03/2020 10:49
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:First, teachers wanted to work at home. Well— part of the problem with working from home is your work creeping into your home life. Work from home is great. Until your boss wants to chat at 8pm. Most of us have to suck it up and take the call. Think long and hard before demanding indefinite telework.
And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.
Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.
Moral of the story:
If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.
And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.
And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.
Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.
Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.
Bless your heart.
You sound like such a sweetheart. ❤️ Lots of projection here. Hope things get better for you and yours!
Anonymous
11/03/2020 08:12
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:First, teachers wanted to work at home. Well— part of the problem with working from home is your work creeping into your home life. Work from home is great. Until your boss wants to chat at 8pm. Most of us have to suck it up and take the call. Think long and hard before demanding indefinite telework.
And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.
Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.
Moral of the story:
If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.
And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.
And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.
Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.
Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.
Bless your heart.
...yeah except you can’t even sit in a waiting room anymore. You have to sit in your car and wait for them to call you. But so many doctors and nurses insist opening schools is safe and that teachers are somehow committing a dereliction of duty by demanding safe working conditions. I can’t say I understand how sitting in a waiting room for 30 minutes is much riskier than breathing the same air as a group of people for seven hours, five days a week. There is no logic behind that. I guess medical providers are not so brave after all.
Teachers are not calling you “demanding” that you talk then. They are calling you because it is their professional duty to provide outreach. Trust me, no one wants to talk to you that badly. If you want the teacher to call your husband then tell them that. Why are you telling us? Just as many parents get angry if we call the second person on the contact list (dad, grandma, whatever the case may be for that particular family). You need to make that clear. I have some families where dad is the primary contact and some mom, while some ask that I text or email them in a group message. No one knows what you want unless you communicate with them.
Anonymous
11/02/2020 22:41
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
First, teachers wanted to work at home. Well— part of the problem with working from home is your work creeping into your home life. Work from home is great. Until your boss wants to chat at 8pm. Most of us have to suck it up and take the call. Think long and hard before demanding indefinite telework.
And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.
Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.
Moral of the story:
If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.
And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.
And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.
Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.
Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.
Bless your heart.
And stop calling me and demanding I talk to you at that exact moment. My child also has a father, who manages call well. And, more to the point, I have a job too and can’t always drop everything and have a personal conversations. Email and ask to set up a time. Half the time. The other half, call dad.
Second, I agree that doctors office have gotten away with overbooking and making people sit for hours for far too long. And for me COVID is the breaking point. I do get pissy if I have to sit in a waiting room with a dozen other people for two hours for an appointment that could be done over telemedicine— to be seen for a condition that puts me in a COVID high risk group. Not okay.
Moral of the story:
If you work from home, it’s not unusual for people to expect you to be on call. Get your butt back in the classroom. Problem solved.
And stop pretending you are in office hours when you are in fact at the doctors office. Take leave like everyone else. Teachers want to be treated like professionals without, you know, acting like professionals.
And during COVID, making people with illnesses sit in a waiting room for long periods of time with sick people is a bad idea and upsets them. If you can’t understand that, perhaps you shouldn’t be a nurse.
Also, if you feel the need to gripe about the patients you see, you definitely shouldn’t be a nurse.
Neither of these things has anything to do with Amazon.
Bless your heart.
Anonymous
11/02/2020 21:56
Subject: Re:An Amazon Effect?
As a teacher, I must say, relax. There are those parents but then you start off every email but stating the policy as related to communication. “Please allow 48 hours for a response to an email.” Or whatever your policy may be. If they ignore it, then you also ignore the follow up email. I mean, it’s just an email... it really shouldn’t ruin your entire day
Anonymous
11/02/2020 21:44
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Even so, why the anger? I can get the hope, but the entitlement and rage expressed on Monday mornings is really disturbing. Public schools don’t offer 24/7 customer service. Even private schools don’t.
Why are you so hung up on the one time a parent sent you a follow-up email and assigning the worst possible motivation to every parent? It sounds like you are looking for conflict and not solutions.
One time? Lol!!!!!!! You think this happens one time per parent? That is hysterically funny.
You must live a very high-drama life.
Anonymous
11/02/2020 20:49
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Even so, why the anger? I can get the hope, but the entitlement and rage expressed on Monday mornings is really disturbing. Public schools don’t offer 24/7 customer service. Even private schools don’t.
Why are you so hung up on the one time a parent sent you a follow-up email and assigning the worst possible motivation to every parent? It sounds like you are looking for conflict and not solutions.
One time? Lol!!!!!!! You think this happens one time per parent? That is hysterically funny.
Anonymous
11/02/2020 19:54
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Even so, why the anger? I can get the hope, but the entitlement and rage expressed on Monday mornings is really disturbing. Public schools don’t offer 24/7 customer service. Even private schools don’t.
Why are you so hung up on the one time a parent sent you a follow-up email and assigning the worst possible motivation to every parent? It sounds like you are looking for conflict and not solutions.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 15:33
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Even so, why the anger? I can get the hope, but the entitlement and rage expressed on Monday mornings is really disturbing. Public schools don’t offer 24/7 customer service. Even private schools don’t.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 15:19
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Not everyone deserves grace. If you are being abusive, demanding, and rude I am not giving you grace. I am giving you exactly what I am required to and no more. I will not tolerate inappropriate behavior from parents. You’re an adult and you need to act like one. I have boundless patience for my students. For adults? No.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 14:43
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Yeah and most people have shit work/life balance and don't set boundaries. Just because you're a workaholic and spend your time that way doesn't mean everyone should.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 14:29
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
How would they know? Most people answer emails on weekends. DH is sitting next to me answering work emails right now.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 08:59
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.
You don’t think a sane person realizes if they email a teacher on a Friday night that they should not expect a reply before Monday morning? That seems obvious to me.
Anonymous
10/31/2020 08:54
Subject: An Amazon Effect?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I feel that sometimes teachers are way too sensitive about what time parents email them. I am emailing you at 11:00pm because I work full-time, then I have to make my kids dinner, then get them to bed, clean up for a bit, and around 11:00 is the first chance I've had to sit down at my computer. I'm not expecting you to respond right away, this is just my life.
This is because you aren’t emailing at 11:00 and then emailing again at 8 am angry that you did not get a reply. But other parents are. I can guarantee that right now, someone is emailing several teachers about her children’s failing grades and she will steam all weekend because no one has responded. All of that anger will erupt early Monday morning before teachers can read her emails and reply.
Then that teacher should have some grace and patience with the parent and reply at his/her earliest opportunity.
Or.set an auto-reply so that the parent knows when to expect a reply and doesn't feel ignored.