Anonymous
10/12/2020 14:09
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
I am a team manager and I would never feel qualified enough to coach a game. Do spreadsheets- check. Organize the coach's gift- check. Laminate the player cards- check. Apply for tournamnets- check. Help with warm ups--MAYBE (as in like sure if the coach is running late I could get the players going).
But coach--no--in particular in a tournament situation.
As a team manager you do training on harassment and several general elearning sessions on sports injuries, but those do not make managers qualified to coach.
This is your club's fault- The team manager was in over his/hear head I suspect and trying to do their best...
When our coach has been double booked, the club found a substitute.
But coach--no--in particular in a tournament situation.
As a team manager you do training on harassment and several general elearning sessions on sports injuries, but those do not make managers qualified to coach.
This is your club's fault- The team manager was in over his/hear head I suspect and trying to do their best...
When our coach has been double booked, the club found a substitute.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 13:01
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The club has the responsibility to make sure a coach is there. A coach who is trained in concussion protocol. end of story. The club was negligent by not having the proper person in charge onsite. It ends there.
It sounds like the manager did some checks and cleared the child. Remember the urgent care cleared the child as being fine too. I think a coach may have made the same decision. There are certain checks that you can do and it's not rocket science.
It was only the parent who noticed he was acting out of the norm. If a parent believes the child was acting out of the norm the parent should have said something to alert the coach.
A paid coach who is in charge of that team and who is also insured by the club needs to be there. Im sure the manager did the right thing. Had there been a serious life altering injury or death happen and the club didn't have the proper coach there. A major lawsuit along with club licenses being revoked could very easily occur.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:55
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The club has the responsibility to make sure a coach is there. A coach who is trained in concussion protocol. end of story. The club was negligent by not having the proper person in charge onsite. It ends there.
It sounds like the manager did some checks and cleared the child. Remember the urgent care cleared the child as being fine too. I think a coach may have made the same decision. There are certain checks that you can do and it's not rocket science.
It was only the parent who noticed he was acting out of the norm. If a parent believes the child was acting out of the norm the parent should have said something to alert the coach.
OK, if it's not rocket science, what are the checks and how do you determine if there is a concussion. Thanks
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:52
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:The club has the responsibility to make sure a coach is there. A coach who is trained in concussion protocol. end of story. The club was negligent by not having the proper person in charge onsite. It ends there.
It sounds like the manager did some checks and cleared the child. Remember the urgent care cleared the child as being fine too. I think a coach may have made the same decision. There are certain checks that you can do and it's not rocket science.
It was only the parent who noticed he was acting out of the norm. If a parent believes the child was acting out of the norm the parent should have said something to alert the coach.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:41
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:While I am not absolving the coach, it just isn't how many of them are wired.
When I was younger, I dislocated my finger in the middle of a soccer game, but we similarly had no subs. One didn't need to be an orthopedist to know a finger shouldn't be pointing in that direction, but I stayed out there playing as best I could, which wasn't much since most movement was really painful. Finally, another parent who happened to be an orthopedist came for the last part of the game and coach said 'hey Doc, I think you should look at this' and the doctor immediately suggested I not be in the game and called my parents suggesting we meet at the ER.
The coach clearly had to realize that something was wrong to ask the doc's opinion, but I guess either didn't think maybe he should take me out or didn't want to lose a player. I can't imagine it was the latter because (a) I was pretty worthless as a player at that point and (b) it was a random rec league and, even the most competitive coach, couldn't possibly take this game too seriously. It was obvious enough from the direction of my finger and the pain that I should have taken myself out, but I was ~12 and also didn't know better I guess.
I know what you are saying but these are such different times ESPECIALLY about concussions. If he would have taken a 2nd knock to the head, it could have been really bad for him. I mean every coach, team manager, referee has to take a concussion training class every year. That's how important it is.
Fair enough. Times have changed and there is a difference between head injuries and others, although many injuries can be significantly worsened by a second blow.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:37
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
The club has the responsibility to make sure a coach is there. A coach who is trained in concussion protocol. end of story. The club was negligent by not having the proper person in charge onsite. It ends there.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:18
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
I don't want to beat up on the parent too much but two points:
a) it's a head injury.
b) it's a head injury.
While I realise those are the same thing, it's so important it warrants repeating.
It's a head injury. On top of that, it's a head injury with a bruise and behavior indicating injury. This is really a no-brainer: kid is off until medical attention can be sought.
a) it's a head injury.
b) it's a head injury.
While I realise those are the same thing, it's so important it warrants repeating.
It's a head injury. On top of that, it's a head injury with a bruise and behavior indicating injury. This is really a no-brainer: kid is off until medical attention can be sought.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 12:11
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
How does this even make sense? What are referees supposed to follow the kids around after the game...for a few weeks. : ) They need to revisit this writing.
Referees are required to..."
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
I would assume they would have to do whatever was required for say a red card. Ensure a kid with a red doesn't play in the next match (i.e. report it to the authority that handles this sort of thing) and that's it. Think it's a bit of a stretch to assert they are to follow a person around all day.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 11:11
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
As I think about it, I think all parents have to check a box that they watched a concussion video before they can register their player.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:While I am not absolving the coach, it just isn't how many of them are wired.
When I was younger, I dislocated my finger in the middle of a soccer game, but we similarly had no subs. One didn't need to be an orthopedist to know a finger shouldn't be pointing in that direction, but I stayed out there playing as best I could, which wasn't much since most movement was really painful. Finally, another parent who happened to be an orthopedist came for the last part of the game and coach said 'hey Doc, I think you should look at this' and the doctor immediately suggested I not be in the game and called my parents suggesting we meet at the ER.
The coach clearly had to realize that something was wrong to ask the doc's opinion, but I guess either didn't think maybe he should take me out or didn't want to lose a player. I can't imagine it was the latter because (a) I was pretty worthless as a player at that point and (b) it was a random rec league and, even the most competitive coach, couldn't possibly take this game too seriously. It was obvious enough from the direction of my finger and the pain that I should have taken myself out, but I was ~12 and also didn't know better I guess.
I know what you are saying but these are such different times ESPECIALLY about concussions. If he would have taken a 2nd knock to the head, it could have been really bad for him. I mean every coach, team manager, referee has to take a concussion training class every year. That's how important it is.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 11:10
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:While I am not absolving the coach, it just isn't how many of them are wired.
When I was younger, I dislocated my finger in the middle of a soccer game, but we similarly had no subs. One didn't need to be an orthopedist to know a finger shouldn't be pointing in that direction, but I stayed out there playing as best I could, which wasn't much since most movement was really painful. Finally, another parent who happened to be an orthopedist came for the last part of the game and coach said 'hey Doc, I think you should look at this' and the doctor immediately suggested I not be in the game and called my parents suggesting we meet at the ER.
The coach clearly had to realize that something was wrong to ask the doc's opinion, but I guess either didn't think maybe he should take me out or didn't want to lose a player. I can't imagine it was the latter because (a) I was pretty worthless as a player at that point and (b) it was a random rec league and, even the most competitive coach, couldn't possibly take this game too seriously. It was obvious enough from the direction of my finger and the pain that I should have taken myself out, but I was ~12 and also didn't know better I guess.
I know what you are saying but these are such different times ESPECIALLY about concussions. If he would have taken a 2nd knock to the head, it could have been really bad for him. I mean every coach, team manager, referee has to take a concussion training class every year. That's how important it is.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:59
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
While I am not absolving the coach, it just isn't how many of them are wired.
When I was younger, I dislocated my finger in the middle of a soccer game, but we similarly had no subs. One didn't need to be an orthopedist to know a finger shouldn't be pointing in that direction, but I stayed out there playing as best I could, which wasn't much since most movement was really painful. Finally, another parent who happened to be an orthopedist came for the last part of the game and coach said 'hey Doc, I think you should look at this' and the doctor immediately suggested I not be in the game and called my parents suggesting we meet at the ER.
The coach clearly had to realize that something was wrong to ask the doc's opinion, but I guess either didn't think maybe he should take me out or didn't want to lose a player. I can't imagine it was the latter because (a) I was pretty worthless as a player at that point and (b) it was a random rec league and, even the most competitive coach, couldn't possibly take this game too seriously. It was obvious enough from the direction of my finger and the pain that I should have taken myself out, but I was ~12 and also didn't know better I guess.
When I was younger, I dislocated my finger in the middle of a soccer game, but we similarly had no subs. One didn't need to be an orthopedist to know a finger shouldn't be pointing in that direction, but I stayed out there playing as best I could, which wasn't much since most movement was really painful. Finally, another parent who happened to be an orthopedist came for the last part of the game and coach said 'hey Doc, I think you should look at this' and the doctor immediately suggested I not be in the game and called my parents suggesting we meet at the ER.
The coach clearly had to realize that something was wrong to ask the doc's opinion, but I guess either didn't think maybe he should take me out or didn't want to lose a player. I can't imagine it was the latter because (a) I was pretty worthless as a player at that point and (b) it was a random rec league and, even the most competitive coach, couldn't possibly take this game too seriously. It was obvious enough from the direction of my finger and the pain that I should have taken myself out, but I was ~12 and also didn't know better I guess.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:55
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
How does this even make sense? What are referees supposed to follow the kids around after the game...for a few weeks. : ) They need to revisit this writing.
Referees are required to..."
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:49
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
In Youth Soccer, in many states, they do:
If a referee observes a player who exhibits the signs, symptoms, or behaviors of a concussion, referees are required to:
Remove the player from practice or game competition.
Prevent the player from returning to play or any sports activity the same day that he/she is removed.
Prohibit the player from participating in future practices, games, or any soccer activities until AYSO has received written clearance of return to play from a physician or other licensed heath care provider.
English FA guidelines are similar:
https://www.thefa.com/get-involved/head-injuries-in-football
"If there is any suspicion of the payer having sustained a concussion, the player must be removed from the field of play, and not allowed to return."
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:37
Subject: Game injury - would you say anything?
Anonymous wrote:Why did the referee allow him to keep playing after getting kicked in the head? Why did you as a parent allow your child to keep playing when you saw the goose egg bump and scratch at half time?
I don't think the referee has the authority to remove a player from a game.
Anonymous
10/12/2020 10:37
Subject: Re:Game injury - would you say anything?
The ref should have told him to sit out, the Team Manager should have told him to sit out, the kid should know at that age that if he's hit on the head he should sit out, the parent should have sat him out. There were a lot of fails, but you can't complain to anyone unless you take some of the blame yourself. The most important thing now is that you get him checked out.