Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:52
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Totally agree, OP.
Nobody wants to feel like they're being unfair to others, but nobody wants to feel ripped off either. Just charge the freaking price you want, and people can decide whether or not to buy your service and everyone can relax about it.
Nobody wants to feel like they're being unfair to others, but nobody wants to feel ripped off either. Just charge the freaking price you want, and people can decide whether or not to buy your service and everyone can relax about it.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:50
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Why are you fed up?
It's voluntary. I am not so easily shamed that I will tip if I don't want to, just because DCUM does it. What a thought!
It's voluntary. I am not so easily shamed that I will tip if I don't want to, just because DCUM does it. What a thought!
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:50
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
I'm a cheerful and generous tipper but I admit when my salon had a "suggested tip" list for services that added up to more like 30% per service, I found a new salon rather than just tip 20%. in non-pandemic times I mostly ignored "offers" to add tips to various checkouts on those iPad screens they flip around to you, but now I just go ahead and click 18%. The corona tax.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:49
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You get a $100 service, pay 10% in tax and 20% in tip, so you are actually paying $130. No one factors this in, why can't it just be an all inclusive price?
You can’t include tax most places.
It’s not to be rolled into price.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:49
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:You get a $100 service, pay 10% in tax and 20% in tip, so you are actually paying $130. No one factors this in, why can't it just be an all inclusive price?
You can’t include tax most places.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:48
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course, everyone in DCUM is or claims to be a super generous over-tipper, so guess I'm alone in this, but...
I'm so fed up with this endless and ever-growing list of services that come with an silent mandatory +20%. Nothing else will do, otherwise you're cheap, rude, scumbag, not a decent human being, and shouldn't leave the house.
Put the actual prices that you want to receive for your goods and services on your actual pricelists, if giving or not giving a 'gratuity' is not up for choice anyhow.
If they're just going to increase prices 20%, then really, what's the difference to you? Just bad at math?
No, then you can make a choice beforehand whether or not to patronize the establishment without the shaming. I have been places where the default a certain tip and then flip over the Ipad and make you opt out of a certain tip amount in order to check out. The shaming and sleight-of-hand BS is out of control.
Do you get/expect overtime? Bonuses?
Plus I'm tipping but haven't experienced the full service yet! I hate tipping. And they're getting greedy and the % starts at 18%, then 20%, then 25%. Get out of here.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:47
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
You get a $100 service, pay 10% in tax and 20% in tip, so you are actually paying $130. No one factors this in, why can't it just be an all inclusive price?
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:46
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Of course, everyone in DCUM is or claims to be a super generous over-tipper, so guess I'm alone in this, but...
I'm so fed up with this endless and ever-growing list of services that come with an silent mandatory +20%. Nothing else will do, otherwise you're cheap, rude, scumbag, not a decent human being, and shouldn't leave the house.
Put the actual prices that you want to receive for your goods and services on your actual pricelists, if giving or not giving a 'gratuity' is not up for choice anyhow.
If they're just going to increase prices 20%, then really, what's the difference to you? Just bad at math?
No, then you can make a choice beforehand whether or not to patronize the establishment without the shaming. I have been places where the default a certain tip and then flip over the Ipad and make you opt out of a certain tip amount in order to check out. The shaming and sleight-of-hand BS is out of control.
Plus I'm tipping but haven't experienced the full service yet! I hate tipping. And they're getting greedy and the % starts at 18%, then 20%, then 25%. Get out of here.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:46
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:I'm done with it too. The expectation now is 20% and its absurd for just packing up food and other things. Charge what you need to pay your staff minimum wage or a reasonable salary. If I'm paying $18 a plate of food, then you can afford to pay your staff a salary.
You’ll be paying more. Thank you.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:46
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I work in a spa on commission. Pretax I make 60% of the service cost. I then pay self employment taxes, my own benefits, cleaning fees, and parking. If someone no shows we charge a 50% fee, of which the same commission rate applies. Your math is not realistic for space rental. If I were renting space rather than commission it’s $150 day whether I’m booked or not. That includes any sick days or vacation time, I’d still pay space rental. With COVID my manger has allowed the commission set up....otherwise I’d be utterly sunk. If you want to count pennies go to hair cuttery.
That's the job you choose and how you choose to do it. Its no differs than a business owner.
That’s fine. Enjoy the price hike.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:45
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:I work in a spa on commission. Pretax I make 60% of the service cost. I then pay self employment taxes, my own benefits, cleaning fees, and parking. If someone no shows we charge a 50% fee, of which the same commission rate applies. Your math is not realistic for space rental. If I were renting space rather than commission it’s $150 day whether I’m booked or not. That includes any sick days or vacation time, I’d still pay space rental. With COVID my manger has allowed the commission set up....otherwise I’d be utterly sunk. If you want to count pennies go to hair cuttery.
That's the job you choose and how you choose to do it. Its no differs than a business owner.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:44
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
I'm done with it too. The expectation now is 20% and its absurd for just packing up food and other things. Charge what you need to pay your staff minimum wage or a reasonable salary. If I'm paying $18 a plate of food, then you can afford to pay your staff a salary.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 21:42
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
I work in a spa on commission. Pretax I make 60% of the service cost. I then pay self employment taxes, my own benefits, cleaning fees, and parking. If someone no shows we charge a 50% fee, of which the same commission rate applies. Your math is not realistic for space rental. If I were renting space rather than commission it’s $150 day whether I’m booked or not. That includes any sick days or vacation time, I’d still pay space rental. With COVID my manger has allowed the commission set up....otherwise I’d be utterly sunk. If you want to count pennies go to hair cuttery.
Anonymous
09/30/2020 16:49
Subject: Re:I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
There's a thread in restaurant forum about tipping on $300 bottle of wine, and anyone saying that 'No, I don't want to give a 20% on that' gets scolded. Now, I don't plan to order a $300 bottle of wine any time too soon, but I do think that I should be entitled of treating myself to an expensive bottle of wine or champagne for whatever reason, without being obligated to hand over extra $60 for waitstaff [audience is booing at this point, I assume]
Lets compare a bill of 100 for food + 60 bottle of wine vs 100 for food + 300 for champagne. 20% tip would be $32 vs $80 for exact same work (not calculating taxes or, ahem, tip on taxes). I wouldn't tip 32 bucks on a $400 dollar bill, but then again - I don't want to feel obligated to tip $80 either. Since why does my opinion not matter? Maybe even the restaurant owner would like me to return, despite my cheap tips, to buy more wine? How come anything other that 'whatever, 50 bucks here or there' is a social faux pas?
(Additonally, the system where restaurant owners are allowed not to pay even a minimum wage, and this obligation is rolled onto customers, is ridiculous. Guess we can be glad that the service of cooking food or delivering produce to the restaurant is included in price, for now.)
The same for salon services. Lets say I pay $250 for cut+color. It is not a cheap service. The cost of actual product used is $25 bucks, lets say other costs, incl the portion of rent, are $50. That would leave $175 for the service. Not earth shattering, but not at all horrible for 2 hrs of expert work. So anyone who doesn't add extra 50 for service (+extra if someone else washes your hair) is a bad person and doesn't deserve to have their hair cut?
And those above aren't even the most annoying examples. When a casual 'serve yourself at the counter' type eatery has tip options starting from 18% and going up to 30% in the system, then we're really talking!
Lets compare a bill of 100 for food + 60 bottle of wine vs 100 for food + 300 for champagne. 20% tip would be $32 vs $80 for exact same work (not calculating taxes or, ahem, tip on taxes). I wouldn't tip 32 bucks on a $400 dollar bill, but then again - I don't want to feel obligated to tip $80 either. Since why does my opinion not matter? Maybe even the restaurant owner would like me to return, despite my cheap tips, to buy more wine? How come anything other that 'whatever, 50 bucks here or there' is a social faux pas?
(Additonally, the system where restaurant owners are allowed not to pay even a minimum wage, and this obligation is rolled onto customers, is ridiculous. Guess we can be glad that the service of cooking food or delivering produce to the restaurant is included in price, for now.)
The same for salon services. Lets say I pay $250 for cut+color. It is not a cheap service. The cost of actual product used is $25 bucks, lets say other costs, incl the portion of rent, are $50. That would leave $175 for the service. Not earth shattering, but not at all horrible for 2 hrs of expert work. So anyone who doesn't add extra 50 for service (+extra if someone else washes your hair) is a bad person and doesn't deserve to have their hair cut?
And those above aren't even the most annoying examples. When a casual 'serve yourself at the counter' type eatery has tip options starting from 18% and going up to 30% in the system, then we're really talking!
Anonymous
09/30/2020 15:46
Subject: I'm so fed up with the tipping culture!
Anonymous wrote:I don’t mind tipping at a restaurant when dining in or at a salon. I do not tip all these other random little locations like at the ice cream shop or at potbelly sandwiches. It is overboard.
Or when I go to pick up a pizza. Dear owner, stop being greedy and pay your owners better.