Anonymous
Post 10/01/2020 06:28     Subject: Re:On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:(honestly, the districts that are absolutely determined to open have seen some teacher attrition, but not devastating numbers. See Georgia, FLorida, Tenafly district in NJ which took a hard stance of work in person or quit, etc)


Arizona?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/tucson.com/news/local/arizonas-teacher-shortage-worsens-as-hundreds-walk-away-due-to-covid-19/article_ece2ccc3-2e03-59c5-b433-ac08483c85fd.amp.html
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2020 06:09     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


Umm... who said teachers were professionals? They are unionized, correct? If so they are not professionals and are in the same category as the folks above. Easily replaceable with others.

Oh I just can’t with the stupidity here.
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2020 05:40     Subject: Re:On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

(honestly, the districts that are absolutely determined to open have seen some teacher attrition, but not devastating numbers. See Georgia, FLorida, Tenafly district in NJ which took a hard stance of work in person or quit, etc)
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2020 05:05     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.


Finding teachers to work remote isn’t the problem.
Anonymous
Post 10/01/2020 05:04     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:Thankfully our grocery store stockers and workers kept showing up to work during the pandemic.



Every grocery store near me was desperately looking for workers, but OK.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 22:49     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Remote teaching can be outsourced to teachers in other parts of the country.

I'm honestly surprised this was not considered.

If the teachers make themselves too "precious" next thing you know the school board can hire teachers from out of state to teach the remote classes.

Many teachers in other parts of the country work for a lot less pay.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 22:47     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Thankfully our grocery store stockers and workers kept showing up to work during the pandemic.

Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 22:25     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


Umm... who said teachers were professionals? They are unionized, correct? If so they are not professionals and are in the same category as the folks above. Easily replaceable with others.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 20:17     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So, we get on with it. We replace them, eventually.


Disney is laying off workers. They can come to CCPS to entertain your kids since all that matters in getting them back in a school building.

https://www.ocregister.com/disneyland-and-disney-world-lay-off-28000-employees-amid-pandemic-struggles


Exactly! They'll even be way more entertaining than the Target cashier that some other idiot said they would rather have "teach" (babysit) their kids in a school building rather than a competent, experienced, licensed teacher via DL.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 20:07     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

I read another article where it said they're trying to hire subs and temporary workers so if you think teaching is an easy job and you're ready to prove how safe it is to teach during a pandemic it's time to step up
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 19:38     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


I assume that all of these "just fire them" posters are trolls. Do you really want your child's education entrusted to someone with no teaching education or experience?

It remains to be seen if the use of leave is more of a threat to make the county re-evaluate its return to school plan. However, as a parent of multiple children who have had bad experiences with long term substitutes and teachers who really didn't want to be teaching, be careful what you wish for. Miserable teachers do not create a positive learning environment.


Right. That's why some of us want these teachers to quit. Yes, it might make for a painful year, but it will be good in the long run to get rid of them.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 16:45     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

If that many teachers really refuse to return, then I would rather just do homeschool than force my kids to participate in long term DL.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 16:31     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


I assume that all of these "just fire them" posters are trolls. Do you really want your child's education entrusted to someone with no teaching education or experience?

It remains to be seen if the use of leave is more of a threat to make the county re-evaluate its return to school plan. However, as a parent of multiple children who have had bad experiences with long term substitutes and teachers who really didn't want to be teaching, be careful what you wish for. Miserable teachers do not create a positive learning environment.


Not a troll, but I don't really see another way to handle teachers who won't return when it's deemed safe by the school boards. It's not sustainable to be virtual until the majority of teachers choose to return since it's become very clear that they are not happy with any mitigation efforts that have been proposed so far.

At the end of the day, yes, they need to resign or be let go if there isn't a verifiable reason they are deemed "high risk" just like any other state/federal employee who has been recalled to the office. If the shortage of teachers is so dire, well, it's not like we have lost much. I mean, other methods/programs/curriuculums for online learning which are accredited survive on a far smaller census of teachers.

It's not ideal. It's not perfect. It's not even good, but what other options is the stalemate offering?

You really think hybrid model with a "teacher" who has zero experience in teaching is better than 100% DL with a teacher who has years of experience?

You must not care about your child's education. Basically, your plan would be no better than glorified daycare. Your kids would get zero education.
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 13:27     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


I assume that all of these "just fire them" posters are trolls. Do you really want your child's education entrusted to someone with no teaching education or experience?

It remains to be seen if the use of leave is more of a threat to make the county re-evaluate its return to school plan. However, as a parent of multiple children who have had bad experiences with long term substitutes and teachers who really didn't want to be teaching, be careful what you wish for. Miserable teachers do not create a positive learning environment.


Not a troll, but I don't really see another way to handle teachers who won't return when it's deemed safe by the school boards. It's not sustainable to be virtual until the majority of teachers choose to return since it's become very clear that they are not happy with any mitigation efforts that have been proposed so far.

At the end of the day, yes, they need to resign or be let go if there isn't a verifiable reason they are deemed "high risk" just like any other state/federal employee who has been recalled to the office. If the shortage of teachers is so dire, well, it's not like we have lost much. I mean, other methods/programs/curriuculums for online learning which are accredited survive on a far smaller census of teachers.

It's not ideal. It's not perfect. It's not even good, but what other options is the stalemate offering?
Anonymous
Post 09/30/2020 13:04     Subject: On the topic of teacher shortages - Carroll County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Fire them. There are plenty of Americans who need employment.


The vast majority of unemployment folks are front staff for dining and entertainment. Very few professional employees were laid off and won’t be until things like airlines go belly up.


I assume that all of these "just fire them" posters are trolls. Do you really want your child's education entrusted to someone with no teaching education or experience?

It remains to be seen if the use of leave is more of a threat to make the county re-evaluate its return to school plan. However, as a parent of multiple children who have had bad experiences with long term substitutes and teachers who really didn't want to be teaching, be careful what you wish for. Miserable teachers do not create a positive learning environment.