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Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

There is no law against prepping or preparing.

Of course there's no law against it. But there shouldn't be a system in place that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars to gain an advantage. We pro-TJ reform folks agree that this applies to college exam prep as well, which is why we applaud schools moving to test-blind and test-optional admissions processes.

If you're going to try to make an argument, explain why there SHOULD be a system in place that rewards families for spending thousands of dollars and hours to gain an advantage.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

White parents also pay lot of money to private psychologists to bribe their way into aap. We should outlaw those as well.

The AAP Equity report suggested that there are no parent referrals for AAP, no parent questionnaires, no WISC, no work samples from home, no letters of references, and no awards/competition included in an application. So that is already on the table. The reason? White and Asian families are more likely to parent refer, include outside testing, and include the above documents. White families at a higher percentage then Asian families but both groups at a far higher level then Black and Hispanic families.

FCPS is already on top of that. This years AAP applications will not allow for awards and letters of references. And there is no CogAT.

Enrich all you want and choose the path of enrichment that makes the most sense for them but that enrichment should not be what earns you a spot in AAP or TJ when other families don't have the same access to that enrichment, whether that is due to money, time, or lack of knowledge of such programs.

AAP and TJ should be open to all kids who meet the criteria and not benefit the families who are able or willing to add to a kids resume by spending money or by having access to better after school activities at the school or through private programs.

A Baseline GPA and class requirement evens the playing field. Should the GPA be higher then a 3.5? Probably. Should kids who have been sent to tutoring their entire life have a leg up on kids who did not have that same opportunity but have the same aptitude (proven in the class room and on SOLs)? The reality is that kids who have been attending these programs have been given a leg up because their applications make it appear that they have a greater interest in STEM then a kid who did not have access to/knowledge of these programs. But kids who have not had the same access could very well be interested in STEM had they been exposed.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's racism and xenophobia OP.


Are blanket statements about all White people based on the Varsity Blues scandal accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Muslims based on anything accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Black people based on anything accepted? NO

But blanket statements, racism and xenophobia as well as legal institutional racism against Asians are readily accepted, encouraged and green-lighted in our society.

Welcome to the wonderful country you immigrated to!

Blanket statements about blacks are made all the time and accepted in this country. Muslims face tremendous bigotry in this country. All these posts about how Asians have it worse than all other minority groups in this country are misguided and make you sound whiny.

Open discrimination against Asians in this country occurs unlike discrimination against other groups.

LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Go for lawsuit..

Your link doesn't work. The Arlington lottery was race weighted - I can't see that in the TJ proposal.

Disparate impact will be used to strike down the new admissions system.

you do realize that the current system is a text book example of disparate impact?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

White parents also pay lot of money to private psychologists to bribe their way into aap. We should outlaw those as well.

Corrupt fcps will never do that unless blacks complain.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

White parents also pay lot of money to private psychologists to bribe their way into aap. We should outlaw those as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

I believe white people don't send kids for prepping at an early age but they do use prep services in HS for SAT or something else.
They do send their kids for sports prep and practices. Should we have a quota over there too? No one should prepare for anything and just show up for the exam or a sport event. Otherwise its cheating and not fair to other communities.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

White person here. I've never known a white family in my entire life who paid for tutoring for their kids. This would be very uncommon in the white culture. I've known white families who sent their kids to Catholic schools for a better education.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Whites spend even more money on prepping because they pay for private tutors for test preps, classes etc. private tutors cost much more than in class tuitions so we should outlaw those first.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

There is no law against prepping or preparing.

Anonymous wrote:Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Pro-TJ reform here - what your friend told you is garbage. Those of us who are in favor of TJ reform don't have any issue with parents doing right by their kids. We have an issue with a system that incentivizes spending thousands of dollars and hours on exam prep. There are those who would conflate the two - those people are nuts.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's racism and xenophobia OP.


Are blanket statements about all White people based on the Varsity Blues scandal accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Muslims based on anything accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Black people based on anything accepted? NO

But blanket statements, racism and xenophobia as well as legal institutional racism against Asians are readily accepted, encouraged and green-lighted in our society.

Welcome to the wonderful country you immigrated to!

Blanket statements about blacks are made all the time and accepted in this country. Muslims face tremendous bigotry in this country. All these posts about how Asians have it worse than all other minority groups in this country are misguided and make you sound whiny.

Open discrimination against Asians in this country occurs unlike discrimination against other groups.

LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Go for lawsuit..

Your link doesn't work. The Arlington lottery was race weighted - I can't see that in the TJ proposal.

Google it. TJ lottery is injustice for merit Students and article 6 violation

Frankly who cares? I had a friend tell me that doing puzzles and reading to my kids for 30 min a day was leaving poor families at a disadvantage. You can't win. Somehow "equality" seems to be bringing down the high achievers versus just making the pie larger for everyone. I see that with so much right now in society too.

As long as there's no cheating or abuse of the children (I knew a girl when I was in school whose parents would beat her and she studied all night and couldn't stay awake during school), prepping is great.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's racism and xenophobia OP.


Are blanket statements about all White people based on the Varsity Blues scandal accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Muslims based on anything accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Black people based on anything accepted? NO

But blanket statements, racism and xenophobia as well as legal institutional racism against Asians are readily accepted, encouraged and green-lighted in our society.

Welcome to the wonderful country you immigrated to!

Blanket statements about blacks are made all the time and accepted in this country. Muslims face tremendous bigotry in this country. All these posts about how Asians have it worse than all other minority groups in this country are misguided and make you sound whiny.

Open discrimination against Asians in this country occurs unlike discrimination against other groups.

LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Go for lawsuit..

Your link doesn't work. The Arlington lottery was race weighted - I can't see that in the TJ proposal.

Disparate impact will be used to strike down the new admissions system.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's racism and xenophobia OP.


Are blanket statements about all White people based on the Varsity Blues scandal accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Muslims based on anything accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Black people based on anything accepted? NO

But blanket statements, racism and xenophobia as well as legal institutional racism against Asians are readily accepted, encouraged and green-lighted in our society.

Welcome to the wonderful country you immigrated to!

Blanket statements about blacks are made all the time and accepted in this country. Muslims face tremendous bigotry in this country. All these posts about how Asians have it worse than all other minority groups in this country are misguided and make you sound whiny.

Open discrimination against Asians in this country occurs unlike discrimination against other groups.

LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Go for lawsuit..

Your link doesn't work. The Arlington lottery was race weighted - I can't see that in the TJ proposal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's racism and xenophobia OP.


Are blanket statements about all White people based on the Varsity Blues scandal accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Muslims based on anything accepted? NO

Are blanket statements about Black people based on anything accepted? NO

But blanket statements, racism and xenophobia as well as legal institutional racism against Asians are readily accepted, encouraged and green-lighted in our society.

Welcome to the wonderful country you immigrated to!

Blanket statements about blacks are made all the time and accepted in this country. Muslims face tremendous bigotry in this country. All these posts about how Asians have it worse than all other minority groups in this country are misguided and make you sound whiny.

Open discrimination against Asians in this country occurs unlike discrimination against other groups.

LAWSUIT CALLS NEW ARLINGTON SCHOOL LOTTERY UNFAIR TO WHITE CHILDREN

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1998/....-11df-4ca2-93ea-9ffd38e49625/

Go for lawsuit..