Mrs. Kellyanne, is that you?

People who disagree on politics can live in harmony. People who disagree on reality cannot. Sounds like your DH is in the latter camp.

I would not live with someone who lacks the judgement and intellectual capability to see Trump’s vicious dishonesty for what it is. GTFO of my house if that’s your mindset.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

This is gaslighting.

Gathering petitions IS free speech in action.

Telling a newspaper you are so angry about an editorial that you are canceling your subscription is a time honored American exercise of free speech. And when the publisher of said paper says to his editor, "What the hell is going on?" And the editor doesn't have a solid defense of the editorial but rather says, "Jeez, actually I didn't even read the editorial before I okayed it," you're damn right he gets fired, for failure to do his job.

What do you think free speech looks like, and how exactly does a sitting American Senator lack for free speech?

These are fair points, but they miss the mark. The right to free speech is right to be free of GOVERNMENT infringement on speech. None of the "terrifying" examples given by the PP involve the government, so they aren't first amendment issues. IOW, our terrified poster doesn't know what "free speech" is.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

This is gaslighting.

Gathering petitions IS free speech in action.

Telling a newspaper you are so angry about an editorial that you are canceling your subscription is a time honored American exercise of free speech. And when the publisher of said paper says to his editor, "What the hell is going on?" And the editor doesn't have a solid defense of the editorial but rather says, "Jeez, actually I didn't even read the editorial before I okayed it," you're damn right he gets fired, for failure to do his job.

What do you think free speech looks like, and how exactly does a sitting American Senator lack for free speech?

Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

I have an LEO friend who is never Trump, you can be an officer of the law and not support his trash, so your friend is an asshole. Accept that about him and accept that you are OK with it.

Anonymous wrote:This is a no-brainer for me. I could not be married to someone whose values were so antithetical to my own.

If you met your DH today **you would not go on a second date with him.** So, seriously, WTH ate you doing? This is a level of contempt that cannot be overcome.

Yes, you're characterizing this as politics, but what you're taking about are values. These are irreconcilable differences.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Mobbing people who are sitting outside and demanding they conform with their political agenda. Gathering on-line petitions to cancel college professors that do not conform to strict anti-racism ideology. Firing NYT editors for publishing editorials from a sitting US senator whose opinion is supported by a majority of the population. Supporting campus tribunals that deny due process to students accused of sexual assault.

I can give countless examples, but a general chilling of free speech and due process that is absolutely essential to democratic ideals.

Folks. I highly doubt this is a sincere post. The whole goal is to introduce a bit of whataboutism, it's relative. Stoke fear of "splitting up families". Don't be fooled this is a politically driven post cleverly designed propaganda. People are better at spotting and calling it out in political forums, so they sneak it in casually in other forums, here, family relationships, and even the childcare sections. Don't be fooled.


On the very small chance this is from a person;

i really don't just see how this is true, and how there were zero signs until this year, you even admit, you overlooked it last time. It's always been there. As I have said before I have elsewhere I have Republicans in my family as friends they never voted for trump. Trump-supporting isn't just some political differenc.e You don't have to be a Republican to support him, people just like to say those things to disguise the truth about what they are.
I highly doubt your husband has been able to hide who he really is from your for 22 years. Get out of here with that!

The only difference now is YOU are starting to feel social shame for supporting those things. Or you magically developed a conscience. Had you developed a conscience you would know what to do, since that isn't the case just do what you've been doing for 22 years and keep your head in the sand.

This is a no-brainer for me. I could not be married to someone whose values were so antithetical to my own.

If you met your DH today **you would not go on a second date with him.** So, seriously, WTH ate you doing? This is a level of contempt that cannot be overcome.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I don't think I could do it with someone who was full Qanon. Mine just repeats George Carlin's "trash in, trash out!" generally thinking all politicians are shitty, and he doesn't vote. Agrees Trump is horrible, but feels like in deep blue DC voting is worthless. It's a huge point of contention with us, I can't imagine if he actually thought Hillary Clinton was trafficking children out of Comet Pizza. The little, "what an idiot!" comments about Trump at least make me feel like we are basically on the same side. This sounds like a house diveded and I would seriously question his values. What was it like pre-Trump? Did you have fundamental differences in morals and values? My sympathis, this sounds very hard.

I would actually find this extremely frustrating. Voting is the absolute minimum you can do.

Anonymous wrote:This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Please explain exactly what is "terrifying" about progressives.

Anonymous wrote:I wish I could talk to you real time OP. This is my world. It's polarizing. His view actually scare me. He continues to feed it by watching (addictively) to Fox News.

I've asked that news be watched separately. I don't want to discuss politics and especially not in front of our teen.

No this is not who he was when I met him. I would say he was moderate. And no I would not have dated or married him.

We are dealing with family crisis', potential job loss, pandemic, etc. So I am focusing on not reacting, setting boundaries on what we collectively watch and discuss, and trying to see the good in him (yes there are good things).

I'm scared for the future.

In the same situation. I am scared for my family's future and the future of this country. I am optimistic that when Trump is gone, either in a few months or a few years, this will subside.

It's a relentless stream of propoganda. How to get them to turn it off and see the good in the world?

This is a tough one.

I am moderate and terrified by what I see from the progressive left and Trump right. My best friend is all MAGA and it's hard not to lump him in with the white nationalists and authoritarians who are Trumps biggest base of support. But also, I try to see it from his side: he is law enforcement and feels like Trump and Trumpism is the only one who will stand up for him. And he has a point.

That being said, my dad is also deep down the Fox News rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. I keep him at arm's length and I have lost respect for him. It's much easier to distance from your parent than your spouse. I don't have sex with him.

Trump support shows a lack a morals and belief in basic human dignity. I would leave.