Anonymous
08/06/2020 08:38
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Coach here:
I've coached for over a decade now and I think I've had 3 types of team managers, although there are plenty types as such:
1.) The de facto manager: Manager who was basically the last person standing and reluctantly stepped into the position. These folks generally aren't as organized or up to speed as some other managers, but make up for it in willingness to learn. They can also transform into one of the other team managers listed below.
2.) The been there done that: Manager who's managed for several teams and possible multiple teams/children. They've been through all the crap that managers sometimes face and can tell you everything about most tournaments and good places to stay/eat etc. These managers usually wind up turning into the burned out managers.
3.) The burned out: Managers who've had enough of everyone's crap but still step up cause they know no one else will. They don't take crap for anyone and could care less what you think of them. Not very friendly in general but know what they are doing.
4.) The power trip: Managers who think their job means they are able to order people around like children (which sometimes parents can be...) They also believe it entitles their children to benefits on the field.
This is the most accurate post in the thread. Nice job summing it all up. I managed my kids travel team for several years and got burned out from the work load and lack of input from other parents. They were always willing to say thanks but never willing to step up and do anything. One time we needed a parent to simply control an overhead camera for video and getting a single parent to get off their chair and contribute for one half of one game was near impossible. i was embarassed for them. Ultimately I stepped down frustrated and burned out.
As a coach I try to separate what the parents do, with how the child is treated. I will say the team manager's kid is almost always on time and dressed correctly, which honestly does come into play to a small degree, but any parent can ensure that for their child.
Anonymous
08/06/2020 08:31
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Stupid question!! You all must be bored. The answer anyway is Absolutely the manager kids get preference.
I believe the original OP started this thread because the managers kid is probably a better player then his/hers kid. I was a team manager when my DS and DD played for a well known soccer club. My motive for VOLUNTEERING as a team manager was not to get my kids preferential treatment from the coaches, but to help facilitate a positive environment, as to where the parents got along and the kids were happy. I can say neither of my kids received any type of preferential treatment from the coaches or the club. They had to practice just as hard as the other kids, they attended every practice, and I didn't see the coaches treating or acting any differently toward my kids. There were some games my DC started; some games where they were 2nd or 3rd string and some some games where they didn't get a lot of playing time. However, I do believe there are players who receive preferable treatment. When DD started playing for the top team in the club, we had players who would constantly miss practices and not only started the games, but played the whole game. So, in my opinion (and experience) team managers DC's do not receive preferable treatment...at least my kids didn't.
Anonymous
08/06/2020 08:18
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Coach here:
I've coached for over a decade now and I think I've had 3 types of team managers, although there are plenty types as such:
1.) The de facto manager: Manager who was basically the last person standing and reluctantly stepped into the position. These folks generally aren't as organized or up to speed as some other managers, but make up for it in willingness to learn. They can also transform into one of the other team managers listed below.
2.) The been there done that: Manager who's managed for several teams and possible multiple teams/children. They've been through all the crap that managers sometimes face and can tell you everything about most tournaments and good places to stay/eat etc. These managers usually wind up turning into the burned out managers.
3.) The burned out: Managers who've had enough of everyone's crap but still step up cause they know no one else will. They don't take crap for anyone and could care less what you think of them. Not very friendly in general but know what they are doing.
4.) The power trip: Managers who think their job means they are able to order people around like children (which sometimes parents can be...) They also believe it entitles their children to benefits on the field.
As a coach I try to separate what the parents do, with how the child is treated. I will say the team manager's kid is almost always on time and dressed correctly, which honestly does come into play to a small degree, but any parent can ensure that for their child.
I've coached for over a decade now and I think I've had 3 types of team managers, although there are plenty types as such:
1.) The de facto manager: Manager who was basically the last person standing and reluctantly stepped into the position. These folks generally aren't as organized or up to speed as some other managers, but make up for it in willingness to learn. They can also transform into one of the other team managers listed below.
2.) The been there done that: Manager who's managed for several teams and possible multiple teams/children. They've been through all the crap that managers sometimes face and can tell you everything about most tournaments and good places to stay/eat etc. These managers usually wind up turning into the burned out managers.
3.) The burned out: Managers who've had enough of everyone's crap but still step up cause they know no one else will. They don't take crap for anyone and could care less what you think of them. Not very friendly in general but know what they are doing.
4.) The power trip: Managers who think their job means they are able to order people around like children (which sometimes parents can be...) They also believe it entitles their children to benefits on the field.
As a coach I try to separate what the parents do, with how the child is treated. I will say the team manager's kid is almost always on time and dressed correctly, which honestly does come into play to a small degree, but any parent can ensure that for their child.
Anonymous
08/05/2020 13:10
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Our BRYC team manager was so awful at the job that the parents revolted to have her removed. Even though she was terrible- her kid got preferential treatment.
And it helped the father is a former coach.
Anonymous
08/05/2020 12:43
Subject: Re:Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
The TM is usually the parent of a player who is pretty good. In part this is because the parent is usually a little more in to soccer than the average parent. It's often someone who has at least one older child in travel soccer, because people are more likely to volunteer for that position when they already have some idea of how things work vs being completely new to the whole experience. Another factor is that coaches are reluctant to have a TM of a kid who might be on the chopping block come tryout time, because cutting the kid also means having to find a new TM. Smart coaches also try to find a TM whose kid is so good that playing time is not going to be an issue, though that's not always possible.
Do TM's kids get preferential treatment? The answer is yes - usually to some extent. There's nothing necessarily sinister about this. It's just human nature. The coach has to communicate with the TM on a regular basis, far more so than with any other parent, and it is harder to do that when they know the person is upset that their kid just sat on the bench most of the game. So if it comes down to a choice between two players who are pretty close when it comes to performance, the path of least resistance is to give the TM's kid the nod rather than someone you don't really have to talk to.
The coaches that don't seem moved by this are few and far between, and are usually the type who are extremely confident in their soccer related decisions.
Another exception is when the TM's kid is the starting GK, and the back-up is a field player who only goes in goal when the starter is hurt.
Do TM's kids get preferential treatment? The answer is yes - usually to some extent. There's nothing necessarily sinister about this. It's just human nature. The coach has to communicate with the TM on a regular basis, far more so than with any other parent, and it is harder to do that when they know the person is upset that their kid just sat on the bench most of the game. So if it comes down to a choice between two players who are pretty close when it comes to performance, the path of least resistance is to give the TM's kid the nod rather than someone you don't really have to talk to.
The coaches that don't seem moved by this are few and far between, and are usually the type who are extremely confident in their soccer related decisions.
Another exception is when the TM's kid is the starting GK, and the back-up is a field player who only goes in goal when the starter is hurt.
Anonymous
08/05/2020 11:46
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Our BRYC team manager was so awful at the job that the parents revolted to have her removed. Even though she was terrible- her kid got preferential treatment.
Anonymous
08/05/2020 10:15
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
My own experience (just with boy's soccer at a handful of clubs) was that being Team Manager meant a child had a better chance of being included on a roster that he might otherwise not have made the cut for; but it rarely if ever meant that kid got preferential treatment on the field. Having a TM for a parent protected a kid from cut or left behind from tournaments, but usually didn't get him/her more playing time or a more important role on the field than his play merited. Which never bothered me--it seemed fair, actually.
Anonymous
08/05/2020 06:22
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
no
Anonymous
08/05/2020 06:09
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing to remember in this discussion is that if the parent is willing to be team manager, this means they are even more heavily invested than the other team parents and in most cases the kid. This means more extra, paid for training for DC and more pushing the kid to practice more. This probably is a bigger driver for the kid seeming to have preferential treatment than a case where the kid really stinks and is still starting/seeing playing time. I've only seen that case on rare occasions, and the thing driving that is that it's the coaches' kid.
?? Smdh
Provide a pearl of wisdom and this is the response. Par for the course on this forum.
That wasn't wisdom. It was (borderline incoherent) opinionated nonsense.
Anonymous
08/04/2020 22:56
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:One thing to remember in this discussion is that if the parent is willing to be team manager, this means they are even more heavily invested than the other team parents and in most cases the kid. This means more extra, paid for training for DC and more pushing the kid to practice more. This probably is a bigger driver for the kid seeming to have preferential treatment than a case where the kid really stinks and is still starting/seeing playing time. I've only seen that case on rare occasions, and the thing driving that is that it's the coaches' kid.
?? Smdh
Provide a pearl of wisdom and this is the response. Par for the course on this forum.
Anonymous
08/04/2020 22:07
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:Stupid question!! You all must be bored. The answer anyway is Absolutely the manager kids get preference.
Sounds like you’re a team manager.
Anonymous
08/04/2020 21:56
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Stupid question!! You all must be bored. The answer anyway is Absolutely the manager kids get preference.
Anonymous
08/04/2020 19:54
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
Anonymous wrote:One thing to remember in this discussion is that if the parent is willing to be team manager, this means they are even more heavily invested than the other team parents and in most cases the kid. This means more extra, paid for training for DC and more pushing the kid to practice more. This probably is a bigger driver for the kid seeming to have preferential treatment than a case where the kid really stinks and is still starting/seeing playing time. I've only seen that case on rare occasions, and the thing driving that is that it's the coaches' kid.
?? Smdh
Anonymous
08/04/2020 19:41
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
One thing to remember in this discussion is that if the parent is willing to be team manager, this means they are even more heavily invested than the other team parents and in most cases the kid. This means more extra, paid for training for DC and more pushing the kid to practice more. This probably is a bigger driver for the kid seeming to have preferential treatment than a case where the kid really stinks and is still starting/seeing playing time. I've only seen that case on rare occasions, and the thing driving that is that it's the coaches' kid.
Anonymous
08/04/2020 15:31
Subject: Do Team Managers’ DC get preferable treatment?
My husband has been team manager some years and not others, and my son has gotten around the same amount of playing time. So I don't think so.