Anonymous
Post 08/03/2020 18:10     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).



Sweden had huge covid numbers and eventually did shut down.


Yes, they had huge numbers of covid cases and deaths. No, they did not eventually shut down. They never closed elementary or preschools or daycares. They never closed public transportation or non essential stores or restaurants. They never required anyone to work from home. There are no mask mandates there either. They have had a totally different approach.

Anonymous
Post 08/03/2020 18:07     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Read the actual studies pointed to by the article, rather than the article itself. One was really badly done in that it lumped children aged 5-17 together and reporting the findings based on that. And the other has not been peer reviewed.


And what’s your criticism of this study by the American Medical Association which says the same thing?

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952


Your article, right up front, states:
Children drive spread of respiratory and gastrointestinal illnesses in the population,2 but data on children as sources of SARS-CoV-2 spread are sparse.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2020 17:53     Subject: Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Children spread most diseases efficiently. Any one who has ever been near children knows this.
Anonymous
Post 08/03/2020 17:52     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Damn.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2020 09:51     Subject: Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:I thought i read an article that counters this notion.
'The viral load exhaled by kids is much smaller (and often not enough to be significant) than an adults. And the height difference between a child and adult, although not 6ft, is at least not point-blank.


That wasn't a study; it was a hypothesis trying to make sense out of something that logically didn't make sense (i.e., the notion that kids don't get it or spread it). We now know it isn't true; kids do get it and spread it.

Anonymous
Post 08/02/2020 09:31     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).



Sweden had huge covid numbers and eventually did shut down.


They did not close down elementary schools and did not have any more child cases of COVID than neighboring Finland (per population)
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-sweden-schools/swedens-health-agency-says-open-schools-did-not-spur-pandemic-spread-among-children-idUSKCN24G2IS
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2020 09:26     Subject: Children spread covid more effectively than adults
I thought i read an article that counters this notion.

The viral load exhaled by kids is much smaller (and often not enough to be significant) than an adults. And the height difference between a child and adult, although not 6ft, is at least not point-blank.
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 22:49     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).

Sweden is in awful shape.
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 22:23     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).


And they have publicly stated their regret.
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 22:12     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).



Sweden had huge covid numbers and eventually did shut down.
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 21:14     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Every country in the world, including Iceland, closed schools.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2020-03-13/iceland-restricts-public-gatherings-closes-schools

And the ones that reopened - are closing them again and again.


Sweden never closed schools (up to 9th grade).
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 19:29     Subject: Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Lock them up!

LOL!



I don’t see the humor if my kids are forced back to school with no DL options. Or if my mom is forced back to teaching or lose her job and pension.


Sorry that my LOL was a bit misinterpreted. I'm absolutely terrified of having my kids forced back to school. Hopefully the full-DL option will persist through the school year no matter what.

Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 17:47     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
That camp in Georgia with hundreds of cases proved it.

F!
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 15:56     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Read the actual studies pointed to by the article, rather than the article itself. One was really badly done in that it lumped children aged 5-17 together and reporting the findings based on that. And the other has not been peer reviewed.



I read them. I can’t take all the theories, rationalizations, defenses and equivocations anymore.

I’m keeping my kids home this year. It will be so hard but I can’t keep debating this. Better super safe than sorry.



+1. Yes! I can’t take the indecision anymore. My son will be attending first grade online.
Anonymous
Post 08/01/2020 15:16     Subject: Re:Children spread covid more effectively than adults
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I understand and read the article, but I do not understand how both the article’s takeaway and the 5 months of data we’ve seen about this can be true. Most countries have kept schools open and have found that schools and childcare settings do NOT lead to outbreaks. Iceland has reported no child to adult transmission. So, how can this new evidence be reconciled with the facts on the ground?


Read the actual studies pointed to by the article, rather than the article itself. One was really badly done in that it lumped children aged 5-17 together and reporting the findings based on that. And the other has not been peer reviewed.



I read them. I can’t take all the theories, rationalizations, defenses and equivocations anymore.

I’m keeping my kids home this year. It will be so hard but I can’t keep debating this. Better super safe than sorry.


This is a DP than the quoted PP, and the original PP (me) says thank you for the suggestion, I hadn’t done that yet, and that could address my confusion. .