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Anonymous wrote:People with children don’t live in the city. That’s why there are so few schools.

+1 all the good schools are in the burbs

Reviving an old thread...Could you please elaborate or be more specific? Looking for info as my husband may have to transfer to San Francisco. We will have a daughter entering Grade 5 at the time.

There are plenty of solid schools in the city, both public and private. 5th grade is the last year of elementary school in SF, so if you want to do private you'll have to probably do public for 5th and promptly apply to privates for 6th. We've had or heard from friends/their kids having great experiences with the International School of SF, Gateway, AP Giannini, James Lick, and Marina.

I’d recommend private high school in San Francisco. The public schools in San Mateo and Santa Clara county are good for STEM but terrible for humanities, social sciences and art. The environment can be very toxic in different ways. The Palo Alto schools have high suicides rates. The cheating culture in Cupertino is on entirely different level than anything you’ve seen in the DMV.

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Anonymous wrote:People with children don’t live in the city. That’s why there are so few schools.

+1 all the good schools are in the burbs

Reviving an old thread...Could you please elaborate or be more specific? Looking for info as my husband may have to transfer to San Francisco. We will have a daughter entering Grade 5 at the time.

In the south SF Bay Area, look at Harker or Menlo College (which is a high school, despite the name).

For public schools, live in the Atherton, Menlo Park, Palo Alto, or Cupertino school districts. Caution - school district boundaries do not strictly follow the city/town boundaries.

Anonymous wrote:I think one trouble in SF proper is that you have little control over what school you'll be assigned to. You can't just buy in a a good neighborhood, its a lottery system. Many suburbs have different systems that give parents more control.

There are lots of very educated people in the Bay area who care a lot about their children's education.

Yes, but the problem is the state of CA education budget is in the toilet thanks to Prop 13.

I grew up in CA, went to public school both pre and post Prop 13.

I also used to live in an expensive part of the Bay Area when I had kids. I wasn't impressed with the public schools given the amount of property taxes I was paying, and the annual "donations" and bond measures to fund things like art and PE. They have zero gifted programs there.

As much as I crap on the school system here in the DC area, one thing they get right is the amount of special programs here.

Anonymous wrote:Could someone please just give me the DL? I've heard that public schools in most of CA are a crapshoot and SF is no different except for Lowell. My impression is that education on the west coast just isn't as impressive/valued overall but that could just be my DC snobbery bias. There definitely don't seem to be very many K-12 private schools. Do most well off kids go to a K-8 and then one of the private high schools? What are considered the best schools in the city for each age?

It's not your bias. SF has the highest private school enrollment in the US for a reason.

Anonymous wrote:Private K-8 and then private High School is the route we took. Very happy with the education. The K-8s are generally San Francisco Day School, Presidio Hill, Friends, Kittredge, Children’s Day, Synergy and then some bus to Marin at MCDS. Then you have single sex - Cathedral, Town and Stuart Hall for boys. Hamlin, Burke’s and Convent for girls. There are also a handful of religious schools that are popular. High Schools - Lick Wilmerding, University, Urban, the Bay School, Drew, International, Convent/Stuart Hall, Saint Ingnacious and Sacred Heart in the City, then Branson and Marin Academy in Marin.

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This is the route we took too.

For K-8 co-eds, SF Day is the most selective followed by SF Friends, Children's Day and Live Oak. For single sex it's Hamlin, Burkes, Cathedral, Town.

For private high school, Urban, Lick-Wilmerding and UHS are most selective. Followed by Stuart Hall/Convent (single sex), Bay, and St. Ignacious.

SF Bay parents are very focused on education!

This thread is ridiculous. Only Asians value education? There are more dogs than children so the schools suck? Not wanting kids to be in a diverse environment in one of the most diverse places in the country? Sheeesh!

Anonymous wrote:Could someone please just give me the DL? I've heard that public schools in most of CA are a crapshoot and SF is no different except for Lowell. My impression is that education on the west coast just isn't as impressive/valued overall but that could just be my DC snobbery bias. There definitely don't seem to be very many K-12 private schools. Do most well off kids go to a K-8 and then one of the private high schools? What are considered the best schools in the city for each age?

You do realize that some prejudiced Californians hold similar views about east coast education? There are folks on the west coast who believe that education on the east coast is not very impressive, that it's all focused on producing kids for white old boy networks and not actual education, that it's recycled curriculums that haven't been changed since the 1800s, that it doesn't value creativity at all and is only focused on producing cogs, etc. There are people who don't want their kid attending east coast schools.

This is idiocy from both sides, to be clear. I think it's stupid on both coasts.

Used to live in the Bay Area. It's true a lot of people move out of SF when they have kids for various reasons including schools and cost of housing. That being said, there are people who raise their kids in SF and many of them are very educated and concerned about their kids education. In SF proper what people do is either private K-8 or lottery into a school they find acceptable. There seems to be a bit of a game with the lottery where choosing the most popular (often most white/highest test score) schools is extremely hard to get into, but if you do your homework and find less popular schools, it is more likely to get into your school of choice. Still, some people still find themselves in schools that are highly inconvenient commute wise, etc. Then for high school, I have seen a mixture of Lowell or Ruth Asawa (didn't that used to be SOTA?) if a student is really talented in the arts, private high schools, and a few open enrollment high schools (such as Washington, Lincoln, Galileo). One of the families I know who sent one of their kids to Washington is a famous scientist married to a doctor who had his kids in private K-8 and sent one other kid to Lowell and another to private high school, so YMMW with regard to fit, etc. I just wanted to throw that out there, because it doesn't seem that for ALL kids, none of the non-Lowell public high schools are an option. All of this navigation seems like a total headache to me, but people do it. I remember when I was younger I had a family friend who lived in SF and her high school application process coming out of SF Day school sounded more akin to applying to college than high school, but I think that's living in cities in general and why many families want to avoid it. I hear similar tales from families in Chicago and NYC, at least.

Outside of the city, the suburbs with the best scoring schools tend to be pressure cookers with obscenely expensive housing. Obviously there are towns with excellent schools nearer Sillicon Valley like Palo Alto, Melo Park, Cupertino, Fremont, etc. There are a few areas of San Jose that have good schools. I mostly lived in the East Bay so I'm less familiar with those towns schools, but I have friends from college (I went to college on the West Coast) who went to all those schools.

I have also seen plenty of educated families (especially Cal faculty) who were happy with Berkeley public schools, Albany public schools, and even some select Oakland schools (mostly just Oakland Tech for high school, various neighborhood elementary schools). Alameda as well. El Cerrito has stronger elementary schools than the high schools and West Contra County schools are a bit of a mess, but still some people seem happy there. Marin has good schools, so does Lamorinda and Walnut Creek. Further out in the East Bay as you get into Danville/Pleasanton/Alamo/Livermore the schools perform well as well.

Just as you see in DC, people's attitudes vary on what they are looking for as far as "good" public schools go. I don't think a kid from an educated family attending Berkeley High is going to be at any disadvantage and there are so many specialized programs and opportunities there for a motivated student. My postdoc advisor from UC Berkeley's son certainly seems to be perfectly adequately prepared for an east coast private college coming out of Berkeley High. On the other hand, a family friend thinks the Berkeley public schools are not good enough sends his kids to Head-Royce a fancy private in Oakland, so again people's attitudes differ.

The schools in CA are pretty underfunded due to prop 13 (and the only other way to raise money is parcel tax) which causes all kinds of issues and need for PTA funding, etc. You can't exactly have exclusive towns with high property tax to fund the schools like on the East Coast and parts of the Midwest. But I don't think this is because parents don't care about schools. I think there is some of the progressive focus on equity/diversity and looking beyond the great schools scores and more at the whole picture (especially in the inner East Bay and SF) where educated parents who are dedicated to the public schools embrace that element a little more than parts of the East Coast. I also think that some of the STEM partnerships with companies/national laboratories/universities are better/more extensive than in other parts of the country and that can be a really huge benefit for some kids. Maybe the bigger issue is for kids who slip through the cracks with LDs who need IEPs and such with the funding issues--but that's a tricky issue because I've seen that be problematic even in very good, well funded/well regarded public school systems

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Anonymous wrote:‘Education on the west coast just isn’t as valued as on the East’

That’s quite the statement there.

Some of the top public schools in the country are on the West Coast, and there are plenty of snobs, too. Not sure where you’re getting this impression.

Exactly. It's your DC snobbery. Send your kids to school in Palo Alto and report back.

Except they are very underfunded in Ca. They rely on donations.

True and I think that's terrible, but it astounds me how much some parents donate and how good some of the schools are. There are definitely schools that rival the DC area.

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Anonymous wrote:‘Education on the west coast just isn’t as valued as on the East’

That’s quite the statement there.

Some of the top public schools in the country are on the West Coast, and there are plenty of snobs, too. Not sure where you’re getting this impression.

Exactly. It's your DC snobbery. Send your kids to school in Palo Alto and report back.

Except they are very underfunded in Ca. They rely on donations.

Anonymous wrote:‘Education on the west coast just isn’t as valued as on the East’

That’s quite the statement there.

Some of the top public schools in the country are on the West Coast, and there are plenty of snobs, too. Not sure where you’re getting this impression.

Exactly. It's your DC snobbery. Send your kids to school in Palo Alto and report back.

I live in the West Portal area. Several neighborhood families send their kids to the Nueva School in Hillsborough. The common denominator is parents who have to commute to the South Bay anyways.

Aside from this addition, your list is spot on.

Private K-8 and then private High School is the route we took. Very happy with the education. The K-8s are generally San Francisco Day School, Presidio Hill, Friends, Kittredge, Children’s Day, Synergy and then some bus to Marin at MCDS. Then you have single sex - Cathedral, Town and Stuart Hall for boys. Hamlin, Burke’s and Convent for girls. There are also a handful of religious schools that are popular. High Schools - Lick Wilmerding, University, Urban, the Bay School, Drew, International, Convent/Stuart Hall, Saint Ingnacious and Sacred Heart in the City, then Branson and Marin Academy in Marin.