Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:46
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Which country you living in? even the college admission is biased! I can guarantee you that the kids got in with below 130 NNAT and CogAT are not Asians
For those who aren't aware, one factor in AAP selection is diversity considerations. This isn't stated anywhere in the FCPS AAP literature, but it is obvious to most parents when you see who gets into AAP. There are always a number of "surprises" and this makes a lot of parents very upset because it becomes obvious that there are different admission standards and people start to think it's unfair. Myself personally, I don't actually have a problem with there being diversity considerations and there being different standards. I really, however, dislike the complete lack of transparency. If you're going to do the foregoing, be transparent about it and live with the consequences (i.e., getting sued a la TJ).
Related to the foregoing, it's stuff like this that makes Asians feel like they have to test prep for everything. Asian families intuitively sense that they are being compared to other Asians in any admission process and so their test scores need to be higher than others to even be eligible. It's a horrible, vicious cycle.
I don't know if it is stated in the AAP literature, but the inclusion of Young Scholar* status, English learner status and minority language spoken at home are factors in AAP selection. These are explicit on the screening form that the committee receives. *Young Scholar is for historically underrepresented minorities: https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/young-scholars and is designed to promote their inclusion in AAP.
The Asians are minorities, am I right? If you check the Asian kids in school they all speak another minority language at home or at least parents speak…. And all these forms were submitted to the school. So the AAP admission are blind to this?
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:41
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Which country you living in? even the college admission is biased! I can guarantee you that the kids got in with below 130 NNAT and CogAT are not Asians
For those who aren't aware, one factor in AAP selection is diversity considerations. This isn't stated anywhere in the FCPS AAP literature, but it is obvious to most parents when you see who gets into AAP. There are always a number of "surprises" and this makes a lot of parents very upset because it becomes obvious that there are different admission standards and people start to think it's unfair. Myself personally, I don't actually have a problem with there being diversity considerations and there being different standards. I really, however, dislike the complete lack of transparency. If you're going to do the foregoing, be transparent about it and live with the consequences (i.e., getting sued a la TJ).
Related to the foregoing, it's stuff like this that makes Asians feel like they have to test prep for everything. Asian families intuitively sense that they are being compared to other Asians in any admission process and so their test scores need to be higher than others to even be eligible. It's a horrible, vicious cycle.
Completely agree with you! Many Asian’s nature is to be good citizens and avoid conflict and lawsuits, especially true for the 1st and 1.5 generation of Asians. This makes many system take advantage of them. As the Asian population more integrated to the society, the 2nd and 3rd generation parents whom experienced the bias first handed will not allow the same bias happen to their children. Thus more lawsuits are happening, I can only imagine will happen a lot more in the future. This is type of bias is also racism, even the white population is experiencing the same racism.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:40
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Which country you living in? even the college admission is biased! I can guarantee you that the kids got in with below 130 NNAT and CogAT are not Asians
For those who aren't aware, one factor in AAP selection is diversity considerations. This isn't stated anywhere in the FCPS AAP literature, but it is obvious to most parents when you see who gets into AAP. There are always a number of "surprises" and this makes a lot of parents very upset because it becomes obvious that there are different admission standards and people start to think it's unfair. Myself personally, I don't actually have a problem with there being diversity considerations and there being different standards. I really, however, dislike the complete lack of transparency. If you're going to do the foregoing, be transparent about it and live with the consequences (i.e., getting sued a la TJ).
Related to the foregoing, it's stuff like this that makes Asians feel like they have to test prep for everything. Asian families intuitively sense that they are being compared to other Asians in any admission process and so their test scores need to be higher than others to even be eligible. It's a horrible, vicious cycle.
I don't know if it is stated in the AAP literature, but the inclusion of Young Scholar* status, English learner status and minority language spoken at home are factors in AAP selection. These are explicit on the screening form that the committee receives. *Young Scholar is for historically underrepresented minorities: https://www.fcps.edu/academics/elementary/advanced-academic-programs/young-scholars and is designed to promote their inclusion in AAP.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 09:02
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Which country you living in? even the college admission is biased! I can guarantee you that the kids got in with below 130 NNAT and CogAT are not Asians
For those who aren't aware, one factor in AAP selection is diversity considerations. This isn't stated anywhere in the FCPS AAP literature, but it is obvious to most parents when you see who gets into AAP. There are always a number of "surprises" and this makes a lot of parents very upset because it becomes obvious that there are different admission standards and people start to think it's unfair. Myself personally, I don't actually have a problem with there being diversity considerations and there being different standards. I really, however, dislike the complete lack of transparency. If you're going to do the foregoing, be transparent about it and live with the consequences (i.e., getting sued a la TJ).
Related to the foregoing, it's stuff like this that makes Asians feel like they have to test prep for everything. Asian families intuitively sense that they are being compared to other Asians in any admission process and so their test scores need to be higher than others to even be eligible. It's a horrible, vicious cycle.
Anonymous
04/27/2023 08:44
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Now the parents want some cheat sheet too?
Anonymous
04/27/2023 08:42
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Which country you living in? even the college admission is biased! I can guarantee you that the kids got in with below 130 NNAT and CogAT are not Asians
Anonymous
04/27/2023 08:14
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
The Asian bias runs high in FCPS. Kid got NNAT 160, CoGAT 144, just took the WISC for Appeal 154. If GBRS not great definitely take to WISC to see if your kid’s IQ is above 145 (highly gifted), kids with IQ 145 and above tends to get very frustrated with general education, and hard to make friends with same age peers, often lash out in class…. The higher the IQ the more likely this will happen. General education teacher don’t see this kind kids often or at all ( my kid scored 1 in 10,000), and the classroom teacher usually contributes this to behavior issue, if you do some research, if they get the right environment and peers they will most likely make friends and be fulfilled with what they learn and not going crazy in class…
Anonymous
04/27/2023 08:13
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Is your child Asian?
That wouldn't matter, nor could it be used as a factor for selection since discrimination is illegal in this country.
Anonymous
04/26/2023 23:09
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:The test score is low compare to others who got in. Also the GBRS is not good. Most kids get in with 2consistent and 2 frequently rating. I know kid with over 140 scores and one consistent and 3 frequently got rejected. Try next year It’s no the end of year if not getting in on third.
Sorry buddy. These are no low scores. Perfect 160 is considered low. You might as well just nix yourself from this convo. Talked to many parents who got in with scores significantly less than the ones posted.
Anonymous
04/08/2023 20:08
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Is your child Asian?
Anonymous
04/08/2023 11:15
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know this is 3 years old. Hope your appeal was successful. I am in the same boat now.
My child scored 160 on the NNAT and 137 on nonverbal and 141 on composite and has been 4s across the board on the report card along with being in extracurricular activities such as piano, basketball, swimming, the ski team and still did not get in. On top of that, the teacher's comments were 'shown in-depth knowledge in mathematics as shown by their grade 3/4 groundworks assignment and presently working/reading significantly above his grade level.'
My child is in second grade.
All of that and we still did not get in. Not sure if it's that this year, the pool is just that stacked or if there is some bias towards my child.
Hi I’m in the same situation for 2023. Did you figure out the reason? Did you appeal?
Planning to appeal now. If I have to be honest, I would say there was some minority bias involved in a negative way.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 19:45
Subject: AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Sure there is. AAP wasn’t stuck just for 2020. Any information is helpful. If you think not then more than welcome to not comment and leave.
Anonymous
04/07/2023 04:45
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:I know this is 3 years old. Hope your appeal was successful. I am in the same boat now.
My child scored 160 on the NNAT and 137 on nonverbal and 141 on composite and has been 4s across the board on the report card along with being in extracurricular activities such as piano, basketball, swimming, the ski team and still did not get in. On top of that, the teacher's comments were 'shown in-depth knowledge in mathematics as shown by their grade 3/4 groundworks assignment and presently working/reading significantly above his grade level.'
My child is in second grade.
All of that and we still did not get in. Not sure if it's that this year, the pool is just that stacked or if there is some bias towards my child.
Hi I’m in the same situation for 2023. Did you figure out the reason? Did you appeal?
Anonymous
04/07/2023 04:43
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know this is 3 years old. Hope your appeal was successful. I am in the same boat now.
My child scored 160 on the NNAT and 137 on nonverbal and 141 on composite and has been 4s across the board on the report card along with being in extracurricular activities such as piano, basketball, swimming, the ski team and still did not get in. On top of that, the teacher's comments were 'shown in-depth knowledge in mathematics as shown by their grade 3/4 groundworks assignment and presently working/reading significantly above his grade level.'
My child is in second grade.
All of that and we still did not get in. Not sure if it's that this year, the pool is just that stacked or if there is some bias towards my child.
Responding to the 2023 case: Scores seem more than good enough; I don't think extracurriculars matter unless there are work samples. Look to the GBRS.
Hi, I’m in the same situation. Did you appeal?
Anonymous
04/05/2023 09:14
Subject: Re:AAP Appeal Cover Letter and Work Samples
Anonymous wrote:I know this is 3 years old. Hope your appeal was successful. I am in the same boat now.
My child scored 160 on the NNAT and 137 on nonverbal and 141 on composite and has been 4s across the board on the report card along with being in extracurricular activities such as piano, basketball, swimming, the ski team and still did not get in. On top of that, the teacher's comments were 'shown in-depth knowledge in mathematics as shown by their grade 3/4 groundworks assignment and presently working/reading significantly above his grade level.'
My child is in second grade.
All of that and we still did not get in. Not sure if it's that this year, the pool is just that stacked or if there is some bias towards my child.
Responding to the 2023 case: Scores seem more than good enough; I don't think extracurriculars matter unless there are work samples. Look to the GBRS.