Anonymous wrote:I am tired of people like OP posting on DCUM.

Seriously, why are they so selfish and shortsighted? Do they not love their kids enough to go with DL until the pandemic is over.

Actually we love our kids enough to want them to have a fruitful education and life. Something they need school for-not this DL crap. And the pandemic won't be over for literal years. Are you honestly saying that 5 year olds should start their education and continue for the next 5 years or however long it takes online?

Clearly you don't have kids.

Anonymous wrote:I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Nobody said anything about them doing back without any infection control protocols. The discourse I am hearing as that pretty much nothing will be acceptable to teachers no matter what the protocols are. They want 100% DL or nothing.

There have been numerous articles showing data that kids not only don't spread it to each other but don't spread it to adults.

I am tired of people like OP posting on DCUM.

Seriously, why are they so selfish and shortsighted? Do they not love their kids enough to go with DL until the pandemic is over.

Anonymous wrote:We get it they are "scared" they didn't "sign up for this".

It's BS. Kids have never been germ free. If you are that scared and fragile you shouldn't have ever chosen to work directly with kids from the get go.

Once my company returns to the office we don't get to say we don't feel safe. You either come back or you get a new job. Simple.

If your job now feels unsafe to you then you get a new job-it's not your employers job to coddle you.

We all have to choose a level of risk we are comfortable with. And if you are not comfortable with the risk then that's a personal decision, not a decision that should effect everyone else.

I'm just so tired of it. The idea that we are looking at DL in the fall seems to be directly related to all these teachers and staff that continually go on about how they don't feel safe.

That's funny. I'm "so tired" of the "be a martyr! So what if you get COVID? We'll just replace you with the millions of college graduates who will be hilariously ineffective teachers and the vast majority of whom won't take the job and the risk for the pay anyway! If you REALLY cared about the kids, you'd be face to face 5 days a week, full-time and noooo masks, because my precious widdle baby can't possibly wear one. Work 24/7, nights and weekends on all the many *other* things your job entails besides face to face instruction so my kids can spend 5 days a week in the classroom so I don't have to deal with them!"

Spoiled, entitled babies. And then they complain about the teachers? Nope.

I’m sick and tired of parents saying that schools should be the only institutions to open up at full capacity without any infection control protocols in place. Parents aren’t special. If you can’t care for your children, then you should surrender them.
See how that works both ways?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If schools open without very strict protocols, adults working in the buildings will be FAR MORE EXPOSED than you or the average working adult, OP. Teachers in the NY public school system died because schools closed too late.

Shame on you. If you are so moronic as to misunderstand the level of risk involved, don't whine about "being so tired".
Everyone is tired of this pandemic!

Accept that some adults have been more exposed than you, or will be more exposed than you, and that a pandemic involves caring for others and making sure they're as safe as they can be. A novel concept for you, it seems.

You guys really come on here and say anything...

Average working adult jobs with just as much exposure as school employees:

Me- medical field (have not stopped working)
Grocery store
Retail
Combination (target/Walmart)
Gas station employee
Fast food industry (drive thru window)
Law enforcement/ public safety
bus drivers

See? Took 2 minutes just for those.

Op here. This is my point. But yet somehow, those who work in schools are "special" and need to be catered to. I just don't get it.

You'll get it when your kids' teachers get sick and your children are watched by a substitute.

Or not. Maybe you'll call the sick or dead teacher lazy and selfish for not having had the fortitude to power through.

I'm a teacher and I want to go back. So do 95% of my colleagues. But I don't work in a public school, and I trust that my employer will take all the necessary precautions, ie provide enough sanitizer for teachers and students, and generally do what they need to do to keep me safe. I recognize that it will be imperfect and young kids will pull off their masks, but again, I feel that my employer will be looking out for me. I also don't work in a school with 35 kids to a classroom and hallways teeming with students. I used to work in a school like that. I probably would be far more reluctant to return if that were the environment I'd be in. So I don't think teachers are trying to evade work. I think they're trying to make sure they're not walking into a situation that exposes them to preventable risks. Just like a person working in a drugstore with no plexiglass is going to feel less safe than one working in a drugstore with that plexiglass shield.

So just because other professionals are at equal or higher risk than teachers, we should just disregard their safety?

Are we all Trumpian now, bringing down everyone to the lowest common safety feature?

Lovely. Brilliant.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If schools open without very strict protocols, adults working in the buildings will be FAR MORE EXPOSED than you or the average working adult, OP. Teachers in the NY public school system died because schools closed too late.

Shame on you. If you are so moronic as to misunderstand the level of risk involved, don't whine about "being so tired".
Everyone is tired of this pandemic!

Accept that some adults have been more exposed than you, or will be more exposed than you, and that a pandemic involves caring for others and making sure they're as safe as they can be. A novel concept for you, it seems.

You guys really come on here and say anything...

Average working adult jobs with just as much exposure as school employees:

Me- medical field (have not stopped working)
Grocery store
Retail
Combination (target/Walmart)
Gas station employee
Fast food industry (drive thru window)
Law enforcement/ public safety
bus drivers

See? Took 2 minutes just for those.

Op here. This is my point. But yet somehow, those who work in schools are "special" and need to be catered to. I just don't get it.

Teachers are not special which is why some of them will die of COVID contracted on the job, just like all the careers listed above.

The problem isn’t that teachers think they are more at risk than bus drivers or grocery clerks. The problem is that the public thinks they are LESS at risk. The grocery workers threatened to strike and got masks from their employees. The bus drivers threatened to strike and got cleaning supplies and reduced occupancy. That is similar to what teachers are asking, but no one has guaranteed it yet. So teachers might need to strike.

We probably will. The suggestions that are being thrown around seem to totally disregard any labor protections for teachers. Lunch in the classroom? No mixing of adults and students? Yeah, guess I’ll just work under hazardous conditions all day without a break or the contractually stipulated planning time I need to get my job done. Anything to serve all those ungrateful parents!

Anonymous wrote:

Teachers are not special which is why some of them will die of COVID contracted on the job, just like all the careers listed above.

The problem isn’t that teachers think they are more at risk than bus drivers or grocery clerks. The problem is that the public thinks they are LESS at risk. The grocery workers threatened to strike and got masks from their employees. The bus drivers threatened to strike and got cleaning supplies and reduced occupancy. That is similar to what teachers are asking, but no one has guaranteed it yet. So teachers might need to strike.

Huh? No, the teachers haven't said, "We won't go back to school unless there's PPE." And there might be some people who believe that teachers aren't at risk, but then there are also people who believe the earth is flat.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If schools open without very strict protocols, adults working in the buildings will be FAR MORE EXPOSED than you or the average working adult, OP. Teachers in the NY public school system died because schools closed too late.

Shame on you. If you are so moronic as to misunderstand the level of risk involved, don't whine about "being so tired".
Everyone is tired of this pandemic!

Accept that some adults have been more exposed than you, or will be more exposed than you, and that a pandemic involves caring for others and making sure they're as safe as they can be. A novel concept for you, it seems.

You guys really come on here and say anything...

Average working adult jobs with just as much exposure as school employees:

Me- medical field (have not stopped working)
Grocery store
Retail
Combination (target/Walmart)
Gas station employee
Fast food industry (drive thru window)
Law enforcement/ public safety
bus drivers

See? Took 2 minutes just for those.

Op here. This is my point. But yet somehow, those who work in schools are "special" and need to be catered to. I just don't get it.

BS! You are clueless.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If schools open without very strict protocols, adults working in the buildings will be FAR MORE EXPOSED than you or the average working adult, OP. Teachers in the NY public school system died because schools closed too late.

Shame on you. If you are so moronic as to misunderstand the level of risk involved, don't whine about "being so tired".
Everyone is tired of this pandemic!

Accept that some adults have been more exposed than you, or will be more exposed than you, and that a pandemic involves caring for others and making sure they're as safe as they can be. A novel concept for you, it seems.

You guys really come on here and say anything...

Average working adult jobs with just as much exposure as school employees:

Me- medical field (have not stopped working)
Grocery store
Retail
Combination (target/Walmart)
Gas station employee
Fast food industry (drive thru window)
Law enforcement/ public safety
bus drivers

See? Took 2 minutes just for those.

Op here. This is my point. But yet somehow, those who work in schools are "special" and need to be catered to. I just don't get it.

Teachers are not special which is why some of them will die of COVID contracted on the job, just like all the careers listed above.

The problem isn’t that teachers think they are more at risk than bus drivers or grocery clerks. The problem is that the public thinks they are LESS at risk. The grocery workers threatened to strike and got masks from their employees. The bus drivers threatened to strike and got cleaning supplies and reduced occupancy. That is similar to what teachers are asking, but no one has guaranteed it yet. So teachers might need to strike.

My law firm already called me back in. No one is abiding by our protocols. It’s stressful but what can I do; it’s life.

I'm in the medical field. I would feel horrible if I contracted covid and my children spread it in school and someone died. I haven't stopped working but I understand the trepidation on the part of some educators.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If schools open without very strict protocols, adults working in the buildings will be FAR MORE EXPOSED than you or the average working adult, OP. Teachers in the NY public school system died because schools closed too late.

Shame on you. If you are so moronic as to misunderstand the level of risk involved, don't whine about "being so tired".
Everyone is tired of this pandemic!

Accept that some adults have been more exposed than you, or will be more exposed than you, and that a pandemic involves caring for others and making sure they're as safe as they can be. A novel concept for you, it seems.

You guys really come on here and say anything...

Average working adult jobs with just as much exposure as school employees:

Me- medical field (have not stopped working)
Grocery store
Retail
Combination (target/Walmart)
Gas station employee
Fast food industry (drive thru window)
Law enforcement/ public safety
bus drivers

See? Took 2 minutes just for those.

Op here. This is my point. But yet somehow, those who work in schools are "special" and need to be catered to. I just don't get it.