Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:36     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some interesting background here:

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/landscape-of-diversity-in-dc-public-schools/

Notably, 20% of kids in DC are white, but only 10% of public school (including charter) are.



This is interesting. So can we conclude that fully half of white people with kids in DC have chosen to enroll them in private schools?


It would have been a better statistic if it hadn't included 3 year olds.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:33     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Some interesting background here:

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/landscape-of-diversity-in-dc-public-schools/

Notably, 20% of kids in DC are white, but only 10% of public school (including charter) are.



This is interesting. So can we conclude that fully half of white people with kids in DC have chosen to enroll them in private schools?


Including religious schools.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:28     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


Our charter (Spanish immersion) is far more integrated than our neighborhood school. If everyone in my neighborhood right now started attending our neighborhood school, it would be pretty diverse, however. So, I get your point. With that said, our charter is truly diverse in terms of SES and race and ethnicity and that's what I want my kids to keep experiencing.


I understand that your charter school is integrated and you like that, but unfortunately that experience is not available to every student in DC. Yes, the lottery is fair but they absolutely contribute to segregated schools. Look at Brookland or Bloomingdale. White families in those neighborhoods reject traditional public schools in favor of charters, which makes the neighborhood schools segregated-even if the charters are integrated.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:24     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:Some interesting background here:

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/landscape-of-diversity-in-dc-public-schools/

Notably, 20% of kids in DC are white, but only 10% of public school (including charter) are.



This is interesting. So can we conclude that fully half of white people with kids in DC have chosen to enroll them in private schools?
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:21     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It starts and ends with the liberal hypocrites in DC pulling their kids out of private schools, sending them to their assigned public schools, and advocating for changes in the Wilson and Deal boundaries.


Most of the DC families who use private schools live in WOTP. Going to the largely white elementary schools in that area won't do anything for integration.

If you truly want integrated schools you have to 1) have integrated neighborhoods and/or 2) not use geography to assign students to schools.


Ding ding ding!

https://www.the74million.org/article/74-interview-author-tim-deroche-on-the-inequity-of-school-attendance-zones-the-flaws-of-open-enrollment-and-why-the-government-should-drive-down-housing-prices/

Also remember that the housing and school "market" is regional in nature. Some stats:

Total kids in DCPS and charters: ~90,000
Arlington County: 28,000
Fairfax County: 188,000
Montgomery County: 163,000
Prince George's County: 89,000

So DC public school students make up about 16% of the total in the core of the region. To a certain extent, if changes aren't done across all the districts, making changes in DC probably won't do a whole lot. But it seems pretty obvious that moving away from fixed attendance zones is a key part of integrating schools.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:19     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:Some interesting background here:

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/landscape-of-diversity-in-dc-public-schools/

Notably, 20% of kids in DC are white, but only 10% of public school (including charter) are.



This really is the best resource available. And it makes the distinction between "diverse" and "integrated." It is worth the time to read.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:19     Subject: Integrated Schools
It’s actually SES integration that is more important. DC should aim for consistent FARMS rates across all schools. This is the root of the largest achievement gap.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 14:14     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


I dunno. Depends on what folks mean by "integrated." A specific percentage/balance of races? Basis charter school had pretty great "integration" numbers by that metric. Much better (again, depending on what you mean/want) than my neighborhood school Brent (where my kid was previously).

Basis 2018-19:
34% Black, non-Hispanic
7% Asian
9% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
40% White non-Hispanic
9% Multiracial

Brent (same year):
16% Black, non-Hispanic
4% Asian
12% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
61% White non-Hispanic
7% Multiracial


Same for Latin which is much more diverse than our WOTP elementary. And way more "integrated" socially than any other school I've seen.


All of those schools, and all of the WOTP schools, are integrated; none are segregated. You guys are shifting the conversation to diversity, which is a different topic. When academics talk about eliminating segregated schools, they are specifically talking about minority children attending schools that are almost entirely minority. For example, every single school in Ward 8 is segregated. Leckie Education campus is the only one that is close to becoming integrated.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:58     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What do you define as an integrated school?


Studies I've read define a segregated school as one where >80% of the students are minority. So I interpret that to mean that any school that is more than 20% white is integrated.

The vast majority of non-integrated schools in DC are of all or almost all black students.


Correct.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:56     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


I dunno. Depends on what folks mean by "integrated." A specific percentage/balance of races? Basis charter school had pretty great "integration" numbers by that metric. Much better (again, depending on what you mean/want) than my neighborhood school Brent (where my kid was previously).

Basis 2018-19:
34% Black, non-Hispanic
7% Asian
9% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
40% White non-Hispanic
9% Multiracial

Brent (same year):
16% Black, non-Hispanic
4% Asian
12% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
61% White non-Hispanic
7% Multiracial


Same for Latin which is much more diverse than our WOTP elementary. And way more "integrated" socially than any other school I've seen.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:53     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


I dunno. Depends on what folks mean by "integrated." A specific percentage/balance of races? Basis charter school had pretty great "integration" numbers by that metric. Much better (again, depending on what you mean/want) than my neighborhood school Brent (where my kid was previously).

Basis 2018-19:
34% Black, non-Hispanic
7% Asian
9% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
40% White non-Hispanic
9% Multiracial

Brent (same year):
16% Black, non-Hispanic
4% Asian
12% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
61% White non-Hispanic
7% Multiracial


You cant replicate either of these distributions across a system where only 10% of studenta are white non hispanic.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:48     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


I dunno. Depends on what folks mean by "integrated." A specific percentage/balance of races? Basis charter school had pretty great "integration" numbers by that metric. Much better (again, depending on what you mean/want) than my neighborhood school Brent (where my kid was previously).

Basis 2018-19:
34% Black, non-Hispanic
7% Asian
9% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
<1% Native Hawaiian / Other Pacific Islander
40% White non-Hispanic
9% Multiracial

Brent (same year):
16% Black, non-Hispanic
4% Asian
12% Hispanic / Latino
<1% Native American / Alaska Native
61% White non-Hispanic
7% Multiracial
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:46     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Some interesting background here:

https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/landscape-of-diversity-in-dc-public-schools/

Notably, 20% of kids in DC are white, but only 10% of public school (including charter) are.

Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:42     Subject: Re:Integrated Schools
Funny enough there are several very vocal black families who are angry that our elementary school has gone from basically 100% black to around 75% black over the past 5-7 years. They don't want white people coming to "their" school and they are not shy about it. They don't want an integrated school. They were happier with a less integrated neighborhood and a less integrated school.

This is a complex issue and its not just solved by UMC white families going to their neighborhood schools.
Anonymous
Post 06/11/2020 13:36     Subject: Integrated Schools
Anonymous wrote:People using their neighborhood schools instead of charters would help. There are plenty of integrated neighborhoods in DC, white people just don’t want to send their kids to the local school.


Our charter (Spanish immersion) is far more integrated than our neighborhood school. If everyone in my neighborhood right now started attending our neighborhood school, it would be pretty diverse, however. So, I get your point. With that said, our charter is truly diverse in terms of SES and race and ethnicity and that's what I want my kids to keep experiencing.