Anonymous
Post 05/11/2020 08:12     Subject: Re:How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
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Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.


+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.


I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.


I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.


Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.



Residency fraud, if you get caught, will cost you thousands of dollars.

No one has ever been prosecuted for boundary fraud. If caught you are made to enroll in your neighborhood school.

And no, I"m not condoning it, never did it, kids attended charters. But when we first moved to our EOTP neighborhood 20 years ago a neighbor offered to 'let us in our their school address' when our kids were school age. There was a small apartment WOTP that 5 families collectively paid rent for, and used the address for school enrollment purposes. Just FYI - all were white families who lived in NW, NE and Capitol Hill.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2020 07:41     Subject: Re:How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.


+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.


I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.


I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.


Wow, I think the condo on Connecticut iis actually a great idea from an elder care and childcare perspective.

But if course, it is fraud, so it would be wrong to do that. Remember that couple that committed fraud....they had to pay hundreds of thousands in fees and fines.

I think it also puts a great deal of pressure on the children. Have to cover up every day.

Anonymous
Post 05/11/2020 07:24     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A little boy in my DD’s PK4 class lives on our 1 block long 1 way street per the school directory. He definitely does not. Someone with a last name that is one of the two names in his hyphenated last name does, so I assume it is a relative of some kind.


a) are you sure there isn't a noncustodial parent? either parent can enroll a kid even if they don't have custody.
b) if you are sure, have you reported it?


About as sure as I could possibly be. I have met both parents; they came, along with the boys sibling, to a class party. Also, the relative on our street is for sure the wrong generation to be this kid’s parent.

No, I haven’t reported them. I just don’t have it in me. It doesn’t help that my kid really likes the boy.


Just FYI to the person you responded to, a noncustodial parent can absolutely enroll their kid in a DC public school.
Anonymous
Post 05/10/2020 23:19     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:A little boy in my DD’s PK4 class lives on our 1 block long 1 way street per the school directory. He definitely does not. Someone with a last name that is one of the two names in his hyphenated last name does, so I assume it is a relative of some kind.


a) are you sure there isn't a noncustodial parent? either parent can enroll a kid even if they don't have custody.
b) if you are sure, have you reported it?


About as sure as I could possibly be. I have met both parents; they came, along with the boys sibling, to a class party. Also, the relative on our street is for sure the wrong generation to be this kid’s parent.

No, I haven’t reported them. I just don’t have it in me. It doesn’t help that my kid really likes the boy.
Anonymous
Post 05/09/2020 07:56     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:They need to start looking at these addresses from multiple government agency prospective. Following up letting the grandparents and aunts whomever know that they will no longer be eligible to live in a senior only building with a child listed as a resident, they can not get reduced property taxes with other incomes or rental income reported at said address, or the parents can also get government benefits at a different address with the child now listed at two addresses, DC gov and DCPS employees need to be double checked etc.
Income taxes, property taxes, government benefits (SSI/SSDI/wic/EBT/child support address, DC star ID required. Or they need to have a government ID and multiple utilities and a leases, pay stubs the whole 9 yards. DC should needs to be cross check with other agencies in the DC government and employees records. But of course this would mean more staff.


The interagency communication in DC is not as easy as you would think. I’ve worked on an unrelated project to streamline some interagency communication and it was so difficult. So I agree in theory but in practice it would be very time consuming to check everything .
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2020 23:24     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:Not that it’s right or condoned, but D.C. grandparents pay taxes, so they may get feel justified in allowing their grandchildren to use their address. Perhaps they provide childcare for them. However, it’s not worth the risk.


No justification, my neighbor did this because easier for parents on commute into city and lived in PG! The justification thing is what you tell others when caught
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2020 23:12     Subject: Re:How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:A utility bill is in the category of needing 2 items. Are people being added to leases or car registrations as well? After seeing the requirements I really don’t understand how they’d be able to get these documents together


Yes. Or parent registers grandma’s car in parent’s name. Or doesn’t do car registration, but has a DC ID and pays grandma’s utility bill.
Anonymous
Post 05/08/2020 21:56     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Not that it’s right or condoned, but D.C. grandparents pay taxes, so they may get feel justified in allowing their grandchildren to use their address. Perhaps they provide childcare for them. However, it’s not worth the risk.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 21:00     Subject: Re:How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.


+1

My DH grew up in the area and knows a lot of people who went to DC schools like this. But there is a second category of people who own rental properties in the city (or in-bounds for a particular school in the city) and live elsewhere and use that address to get their kids into their preferred school. I have noticed that on this board the first is treated as an unforgivable crime and the second is seen as something the parents should be entitled to do. Both are boundary fraud.


I don't think either one is forgivable (and I disagree that DCUM posters think the latter is OK- if you posted here that you wanted to use your rental to be in bounds for Oyster or Ross while you lived elsewhere in DC people would crucify you). But there is certainly a difference between the two- the former is enrollment fraud because the family is not paying DC taxes and is using resources intended for DC residents. The latter is boundary fraud so not as much of an issue financially as DC is still collecting taxes.


I have 100% seen threads where people talk about using the address of their rental to get in to a JKLM school and no they were not crucified. In fact, I have seen it proposed as a solution to families that cannot afford Ward 3 - buy a condo and rent it out and use that as your address, get a bigger house somewhere in Ward 5. The reasoning is something along the lines of "you're paying taxes" but it boils down to "I could see myself doing this, but not using my grandma's address." In one thread a family was advised to buy the grandma a condo on Connecticut so she could provide aftercare, have the kid sleep there a couple of nights a year and say it's their residence. Not materially different than a parent in PG county using Grandma's house address, but somehow, for some very obvious reason, MUCH WORSE.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 20:49     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
They need to start looking at these addresses from multiple government agency prospective. Following up letting the grandparents and aunts whomever know that they will no longer be eligible to live in a senior only building with a child listed as a resident, they can not get reduced property taxes with other incomes or rental income reported at said address, or the parents can also get government benefits at a different address with the child now listed at two addresses, DC gov and DCPS employees need to be double checked etc.
Income taxes, property taxes, government benefits (SSI/SSDI/wic/EBT/child support address, DC star ID required. Or they need to have a government ID and multiple utilities and a leases, pay stubs the whole 9 yards. DC should needs to be cross check with other agencies in the DC government and employees records. But of course this would mean more staff.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 17:18     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:A little boy in my DD’s PK4 class lives on our 1 block long 1 way street per the school directory. He definitely does not. Someone with a last name that is one of the two names in his hyphenated last name does, so I assume it is a relative of some kind.


a) are you sure there isn't a noncustodial parent? either parent can enroll a kid even if they don't have custody.
b) if you are sure, have you reported it?
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 17:08     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
A little boy in my DD’s PK4 class lives on our 1 block long 1 way street per the school directory. He definitely does not. Someone with a last name that is one of the two names in his hyphenated last name does, so I assume it is a relative of some kind.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 17:04     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:All to attend DC public schools? Strange world we live in.


Free PK, free before and aftercare, free school meals (at certain schools). If you live far out and you have a long commute it's easier to drive the kids in with you than to figure out how they'll get to school when you have to leave early and come home late from work.

And many DC schools are no worse from a PARCC perspective than many schools in PG county, Charles County, or even some parts of Montgomery County.

Not an excuse but a window into why people would do this.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 16:41     Subject: Re:How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In my experience they are using the address of a grandparent or close family member who is willing to put their name on a bill or affiliate themselves with the address even though they don't live there.

One of my DD's friends flat out told me she lives in MD but her aunt and cousin live in DC so its ok for her to go to school in DC too.


I know of a lady using the address of a hair salon where she works and a neihjbor using grandparents address where they drop them off daily! not hard if you are a intent on doing it!


Yup, a few kids at our school “live” at the senior residence building located in the school zone.
Anonymous
Post 05/07/2020 16:20     Subject: How are out-of-state people meeting the DC residency documentation requirements??
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I can ask my work to print any address I give them on my paycheck. They don't check or ask questions.
You can pick a janitor's closet in any building name it 01A-2 and present it to a school. Nobody checks or cares if the address exists.


My paycheck stub doesn’t show address (federal government...), but the requirement doesn’t say an address must be listed on there, it says that only DC state tax can be withheld for the year, and the amount must be greater than $0. The school we matched at still called and requested that I submit different documentation of DC residency that shows my address.


yes, address doesn't matter except for boundary purposes. Dc taxes do.


Agreed. I wonder why the school requested documentation that has my address on it then. They claimed they get audited and the residency verification needs the address


The residency rules (and audit procedures) are complicated and lots of school staff members don't <i>really</i> understand them, they've just figured out how to get through the audit with minimal complications. Easier to put the burden on you.