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Anonymous wrote:You can not trust your grandparents to behave OP. You may want to shift your work time, if you can, so your mom does not have to come over until they have completely isolated themselves for 14 days.

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Grandparents cannot be with DC.

That’s ridiculous. It’s dangerous for them not her DC. Unless you or your DH or DC have underlying health issues, I’d make the point but then step back if I wanted to continue to utilize their childcare. It is what it is.

You are ridiculous. The virus has killed children and people who are completely healthy. It’s dangerous for everyone.

The fatality rate for children and those w/o underlying health conditions is extremely low. Yes, you should take it seriously, but it's simply wrong to say it's equally dangerous to everyone. That's just not true.

The PP said dangerous, not equally dangerous.

It was clearly implied, particularly given the rest of the comment.

Disagree.

Read the thread of responses.

PP #2: "It's dangerous for them, not her DC."

Response from PP#3 is "It's dangerous for everyone." Previous sentence mentions BOTH "children" and "healthy people" (so not just about children, but presumably the OP and others).

"It's dangerous for everyone" is posited in opposition to the idea that it's ONLY dangerous to "[the grandparents]." Which is "clearly implied" by PP #2's comment.

Which is true. It is (or can be) literally dangerous for everyone. Obviously the odds for each group vary. There's also a metric ton of uncertainty. And an awful lot of people expressing certainty that certain groups aren't being affected. And not just kids-- lots of people, including the OP's father, think "oh, [my friend] seems healthy, healthy people don't have it, so we're all fine!"

"Clearly implied," indeed.

We're supposed to be erring on the side of caution. The OP may have to make some tough choices if her father continues to be reckless because he just has to have his Guy Time, but the actual risk exists. She may decide it's worth it, but it's a real risk.

WTF, it's not just about the kid??

So the kid probably won't die.

But do you people not understand the risks to everyone else down the chain of transmission-- even if the mom is only going to the store once a week? Not to mention the grandparents themselves, his friend, etc.?

Even if people in that essentially endless chain don't die, they could "just" need to be hospitalized and on a ventilator. Or maybe they'll "just" go to the hospital for a short while and take up the staff's time and energy-- time that they otherwise wouldn't take up. Or maybe they'll recover after "just" being knocked flat on their backs for two weeks.

Come on.

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Anonymous wrote:You can not trust your grandparents to behave OP. You may want to shift your work time, if you can, so your mom does not have to come over until they have completely isolated themselves for 14 days.

+1

Grandparents cannot be with DC.

That’s ridiculous. It’s dangerous for them not her DC. Unless you or your DH or DC have underlying health issues, I’d make the point but then step back if I wanted to continue to utilize their childcare. It is what it is.

You are ridiculous. The virus has killed children and people who are completely healthy. It’s dangerous for everyone.

The fatality rate for children and those w/o underlying health conditions is extremely low. Yes, you should take it seriously, but it's simply wrong to say it's equally dangerous to everyone. That's just not true.

The PP said dangerous, not equally dangerous.

It was clearly implied, particularly given the rest of the comment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can not trust your grandparents to behave OP. You may want to shift your work time, if you can, so your mom does not have to come over until they have completely isolated themselves for 14 days.

+1

Grandparents cannot be with DC.

That’s ridiculous. It’s dangerous for them not her DC. Unless you or your DH or DC have underlying health issues, I’d make the point but then step back if I wanted to continue to utilize their childcare. It is what it is.

You are ridiculous. The virus has killed children and people who are completely healthy. It’s dangerous for everyone.

The fatality rate for children and those w/o underlying health conditions is extremely low. Yes, you should take it seriously, but it's simply wrong to say it's equally dangerous to everyone. That's just not true.

The PP said dangerous, not equally dangerous.

Anonymous wrote:Here's NYC's fatality data after one of their worst days.

Out of 2,254 deaths, here's how it has impacted children and those w/o underlying health conditions:

Fatalities among those 0-17: 1. This child had an underlying condition.

Fatalities among those w/o underlying health conditions: 35. That's 1.5% of the total fatalities and includes all age groups.

There are 721 cases where underlying condition is unknown, but if you assume the ratio between underlying and no underlying condition is consistent, then the % holds.

Point being, take it seriously, but don't say it's equally dangerous for everyone.

Source: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04042020-2.pdf

Sorry: 2 children have died, both with underlying conditions. Absolutely tragic, but luckily exceptionally rare.

Here's NYC's fatality data after one of their worst days.

Out of 2,254 deaths, here's how it has impacted children and those w/o underlying health conditions:

Fatalities among those 0-17: 1. This child had an underlying condition.

Fatalities among those w/o underlying health conditions: 35. That's 1.5% of the total fatalities and includes all age groups.

There are 721 cases where underlying condition is unknown, but if you assume the ratio between underlying and no underlying condition is consistent, then the % holds.

Point being, take it seriously, but don't say it's equally dangerous for everyone.

Source: https://www1.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/imm/covid-19-daily-data-summary-deaths-04042020-2.pdf