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Anonymous wrote:What would constitute a non death cult?

Having a pro-life position?

We all have prolife positions. But the reality is that there will be death. Do prevent your kids from driving because they might die? No. But we arm them with training and info to make sure that have a chance. Same thing here. Do we close the United States down indefinitely? No. We just arm people with info and tearing and keep on going.

Anonymous wrote:What would constitute a non death cult?

Having a pro-life position?

Still waiting. Lol

What would constitute a non death cult?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It just feels - I don't know. Like they bungled this response and are almost gleeful about it, while their leaders talk about sending old and other vulnerable people out to their deaths because one mustn't anger the stock market:

Their attitude toward climate change seems sort of similarly beyond nihilistic - nihilism would be like "well who cares" while they actually seem to actively pursue death.

Anyway, good times here in Trump's America!

Nah, death has been around ever since we have been put on this earth. To put it in perspective, in the U.S. there have been 50 million cases of the flu, 20 million medical visits, 700,000 hospitalizations and 50,000 deaths this season. Numbers from CDC. Just had another 100 people die from the flu yesterday and the numbers keep climbing.
Not a Democrat or republican thing. Just the reality of living on this little planet. Wonder what kind of diseases will be on Mars when we move there. Gotta think bigger than earth as life as humans on this planet is temporary.

Honestly that sounds like death cult talk

+1

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It just feels - I don't know. Like they bungled this response and are almost gleeful about it, while their leaders talk about sending old and other vulnerable people out to their deaths because one mustn't anger the stock market:

Their attitude toward climate change seems sort of similarly beyond nihilistic - nihilism would be like "well who cares" while they actually seem to actively pursue death.

Anyway, good times here in Trump's America!

Nah, death has been around ever since we have been put on this earth. To put it in perspective, in the U.S. there have been 50 million cases of the flu, 20 million medical visits, 700,000 hospitalizations and 50,000 deaths this season. Numbers from CDC. Just had another 100 people die from the flu yesterday and the numbers keep climbing.
Not a Democrat or republican thing. Just the reality of living on this little planet. Wonder what kind of diseases will be on Mars when we move there. Gotta think bigger than earth as life as humans on this planet is temporary.

At a 1% fatality rate, COVID-19 is 1000x more deadly than the seasonal flu. Per your numbers.

Just the facts, ma'am.

This is why the entire world is taking this way more seriously. And yes, you sound like a weirdo death cult freak.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It just feels - I don't know. Like they bungled this response and are almost gleeful about it, while their leaders talk about sending old and other vulnerable people out to their deaths because one mustn't anger the stock market:

Their attitude toward climate change seems sort of similarly beyond nihilistic - nihilism would be like "well who cares" while they actually seem to actively pursue death.

Anyway, good times here in Trump's America!

Nah, death has been around ever since we have been put on this earth. To put it in perspective, in the U.S. there have been 50 million cases of the flu, 20 million medical visits, 700,000 hospitalizations and 50,000 deaths this season. Numbers from CDC. Just had another 100 people die from the flu yesterday and the numbers keep climbing.
Not a Democrat or republican thing. Just the reality of living on this little planet. Wonder what kind of diseases will be on Mars when we move there. Gotta think bigger than earth as life as humans on this planet is temporary.

Honestly that sounds like death cult talk

Anonymous wrote:It just feels - I don't know. Like they bungled this response and are almost gleeful about it, while their leaders talk about sending old and other vulnerable people out to their deaths because one mustn't anger the stock market:

Their attitude toward climate change seems sort of similarly beyond nihilistic - nihilism would be like "well who cares" while they actually seem to actively pursue death.

Anyway, good times here in Trump's America!

Nah, death has been around ever since we have been put on this earth. To put it in perspective, in the U.S. there have been 50 million cases of the flu, 20 million medical visits, 700,000 hospitalizations and 50,000 deaths this season. Numbers from CDC. Just had another 100 people die from the flu yesterday and the numbers keep climbing.
Not a Democrat or republican thing. Just the reality of living on this little planet. Wonder what kind of diseases will be on Mars when we move there. Gotta think bigger than earth as life as humans on this planet is temporary.

Anonymous wrote:Get a grip. CV is going to be a permanent feature of human civilization just like Ebola and AIDS after they emerged. What, are you going to stop the economy and spend trillions of dollars every single time a wave of CV comes? Fauci just warned today about multiple waves of the virus. Deal with the fact that it exists, it'll kill people, and the vast majority will get over it after a slight fever and some coughing.

Emotional arguments will only hold for so long until economics takes over and people are staring at the threat of losing their homes and starving.

What part of "health care system collapse" do you eldercide fanboys not get?

Anonymous wrote:Get a grip. CV is going to be a permanent feature of human civilization just like Ebola and AIDS after they emerged. What, are you going to stop the economy and spend trillions of dollars every single time a wave of CV comes? Fauci just warned today about multiple waves of the virus. Deal with the fact that it exists, it'll kill people, and the vast majority will get over it after a slight fever and some coughing.

Emotional arguments will only hold for so long until economics takes over and people are staring at the threat of losing their homes and starving.

It’s not an emotional argument. Single payer healthcare is what helped countries like South Korea slow the spread of the virus by testing, treating, and tracking. Yes, CV or something similar will be a permanent fixture. So let’s fund research, revamp health care, start manufacturing ppe equipment and medications (much of it is in China) and the swabs for test kits (much of those made in Italy.)

A record number of people have lost their jobs, we need to continue to flatten the curve while figuring out how to help those most impacted not set a deadline based on wishful thinking.

This is crazy
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/03/27/older-americans-work-coronavirus-151240

It seems like lots of untreated depression and suicidal tendencies that may be caused by social isolation on the part of some supporters.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in some ways they are. I remember an evangelical / fundamentalist christian telling me that we are here and once we use everything up and kill the planet, the rapture would come. And that's why he wasn't interested in recycling.

There are definitely wacko fundies out there who want the end of the world to come sooner rather than later, because they want to "raptured."

The rich republicans are using this narrative to gain as much control as possible and make as much money as possible.

I'm Christian, just not a gullible evangelical Christian.

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This is very much a belief in extremist Christian churches - that the rapture will come when the earth is destroyed, so that speeding earth’s destruction will get them to heaven sooner.

Frankly one wonders how they managed to miss that we’re supposed to be good stewards of God’s creation and that we are supposed to make earth as heavenly as possible by caring for one another but that’s just me with my pesky mainstream/progressive Lutheran upbringing.

That's me with my pesky Presbyterian upbringing too...be good stewards and help others, and God makes the choice who goes to heaven.

This is OP - and I feel like these last few years have really made clear that some people do feel themselves (ourselves!) to be in a stewardship role toward the earth and one another, and others just want to kill kill kill kill. I just feel shocked and sad and scared every day that people have elected the latter and are letting them rule.

This feels worse, what's happening now. And their glee in the death is terrifying.

Their glee will be temporary. Coronavirus isn’t going to leave them untouched and they won’t be so giddy over it once it hits closer to home.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, in some ways they are. I remember an evangelical / fundamentalist christian telling me that we are here and once we use everything up and kill the planet, the rapture would come. And that's why he wasn't interested in recycling.

There are definitely wacko fundies out there who want the end of the world to come sooner rather than later, because they want to "raptured."

The rich republicans are using this narrative to gain as much control as possible and make as much money as possible.

I'm Christian, just not a gullible evangelical Christian.

+1
This is very much a belief in extremist Christian churches - that the rapture will come when the earth is destroyed, so that speeding earth’s destruction will get them to heaven sooner.

Frankly one wonders how they managed to miss that we’re supposed to be good stewards of God’s creation and that we are supposed to make earth as heavenly as possible by caring for one another but that’s just me with my pesky mainstream/progressive Lutheran upbringing.

That's me with my pesky Presbyterian upbringing too...be good stewards and help others, and God makes the choice who goes to heaven.

This is OP - and I feel like these last few years have really made clear that some people do feel themselves (ourselves!) to be in a stewardship role toward the earth and one another, and others just want to kill kill kill kill. I just feel shocked and sad and scared every day that people have elected the latter and are letting them rule.

This feels worse, what's happening now. And their glee in the death is terrifying.