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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.

OP here and I totally agree. WHY NOT? Google the story of Rio Giandinieri, a 52-year-old Florida man, who was at death's door from CV literally last Friday. Today he is almost well and looking forward to being discharged from the hospital. His doctor didn't want to give it to him at first because it "isn't proven," "no studies for this," blah blah blah all the usual legal medical lines.

He begged to try it at his own risk and it worked.

PP here. I agree with you. You should also include this in the Covid good news story thread, OP.

Anonymous wrote:You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

That’s an antibiotic, right? Sorry I am not a medical anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

please stop inventing reasons you don't want this drug to work because we all know it's because trump advertised it.

Is Trump a medical doctor?

no, he is not a doctor so what? he is not going to administer it personally.

a lot of doctors are prescribing it. a lot of doctors were scoffing at covid in january explaining that it's was just like the flu. so was trump. but clearly being a doctor doesn't equal good sense or ability to adapt to circumstances.

A lot of doctors are NOT prescribing it for covid-19. Stop spreading lies.

The dangers of a bloviating, self-interested idiot like Trump spouting haf-truths about untested drugs in an effort to save his own hid are obvious. You're determined not to notice them? Fine. Don't take drugs out of the hands of the people who actually need them.

you are the liar. major Paris hospital has it as the first line treatment. my own sister runs a huge hospital system (in Europe) and they are using it. there many ongoing trials of its efficacy precisely because there is a huge amount of anecdotal evidence and some small studies that it could be very helpful. but many patients doesn’t have the time to wait for the results and their doctors are giving them the drug nevertheless.

trump wants the drug to work as does every single sane person. only a pathetic sad partisan will sit and complain that people dare see hope in a cheap FDA approved medicine. shame on you, you pathetic loser.

And, interestingly, Paris is one city that we are not hearing about in total chaos over this. Coincidence?

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.

OP here and I totally agree. WHY NOT? Google the story of Rio Giandinieri, a 52-year-old Florida man, who was at death's door from CV literally last Friday. Today he is almost well and looking forward to being discharged from the hospital. His doctor didn't want to give it to him at first because it "isn't proven," "no studies for this," blah blah blah all the usual legal medical lines.

He begged to try it at his own risk and it worked.

Or he would've recovered without it.

Sciencing 101 says correlation does not imply causality, and that anecdata is just that.

Not PP, but what is the harm in a patience deciding to take that risk? Many people take the same risk, with proven results for non FDA approved “vitamins” that address many ailments prescriptions are pushed for. Things are happening rapidly, I don’t think the risk outweighs the potential reward.

Maybe they get the opt in only if they have passed a critical “gate”; their health has deteriorated to XYZ and the possibility of recovery is grim. Heck, see if there are global scientists willing to participate in this opt in program by gathering all the data and aggregating research around it. Why not start now?

Let’s get creative with our thinking, while still respecting the purpose of the SOP we have all become accustomed to.

Anonymous wrote:You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

Great. So, give it in the right dose with azithromyacin. I can promise you that if one of my loved ones comes down with this, I will move heaven and earth to get this drug to them.

Anonymous wrote:Maybe it works but Trump shouldn’t have run his mouth so the hospitals could get the necessary amounts and pharmacies and doctors could Rx for the neediest not the wealthiest

Of course he should. We want every bit of hope we can get, and that is the job of the President.

You have to be really careful about how much to take. Just a little bit too much could kill you. Plus you have to take it with Azithromyacin.

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.

OP here and I totally agree. WHY NOT? Google the story of Rio Giandinieri, a 52-year-old Florida man, who was at death's door from CV literally last Friday. Today he is almost well and looking forward to being discharged from the hospital. His doctor didn't want to give it to him at first because it "isn't proven," "no studies for this," blah blah blah all the usual legal medical lines.

He begged to try it at his own risk and it worked.

Or he would've recovered without it.

Sciencing 101 says correlation does not imply causality, and that anecdata is just that.

There is no way you'd make a statement like that if you'd actually read his story.

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

please stop inventing reasons you don't want this drug to work because we all know it's because trump advertised it.

Is Trump a medical doctor?

no, he is not a doctor so what? he is not going to administer it personally.

a lot of doctors are prescribing it. a lot of doctors were scoffing at covid in january explaining that it's was just like the flu. so was trump. but clearly being a doctor doesn't equal good sense or ability to adapt to circumstances.

A lot of doctors are NOT prescribing it for covid-19. Stop spreading lies.

The dangers of a bloviating, self-interested idiot like Trump spouting haf-truths about untested drugs in an effort to save his own hid are obvious. You're determined not to notice them? Fine. Don't take drugs out of the hands of the people who actually need them.

you are the liar. major Paris hospital has it as the first line treatment. my own sister runs a huge hospital system (in Europe) and they are using it. there many ongoing trials of its efficacy precisely because there is a huge amount of anecdotal evidence and some small studies that it could be very helpful. but many patients doesn’t have the time to wait for the results and their doctors are giving them the drug nevertheless.

trump wants the drug to work as does every single sane person. only a pathetic sad partisan will sit and complain that people dare see hope in a cheap FDA approved medicine. shame on you, you pathetic loser.

Maybe it works but Trump shouldn’t have run his mouth so the hospitals could get the necessary amounts and pharmacies and doctors could Rx for the neediest not the wealthiest

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.

OP here and I totally agree. WHY NOT? Google the story of Rio Giandinieri, a 52-year-old Florida man, who was at death's door from CV literally last Friday. Today he is almost well and looking forward to being discharged from the hospital. His doctor didn't want to give it to him at first because it "isn't proven," "no studies for this," blah blah blah all the usual legal medical lines.

He begged to try it at his own risk and it worked.

Or he would've recovered without it.

Sciencing 101 says correlation does not imply causality, and that anecdata is just that.

It hasn’t been scientifically proven yet, period. There is a risk of serious adverse effects.

Know what is scientifically prove? Social distancing. Physical distancing. Good hygiene. Using the healthcare system only when necessary, instead of flooding it with panic requests for drugs, tests, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.

OP here and I totally agree. WHY NOT? Google the story of Rio Giandinieri, a 52-year-old Florida man, who was at death's door from CV literally last Friday. Today he is almost well and looking forward to being discharged from the hospital. His doctor didn't want to give it to him at first because it "isn't proven," "no studies for this," blah blah blah all the usual legal medical lines.

He begged to try it at his own risk and it worked.

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Anonymous wrote:On a related note: Please stop trying to get an Rx for this to take "just in case." I have lupus and had to scramble all weekend to get another month's supply. After eight attempts, I found a pharmacy that was refusing to fill prescriptions for anyone who hadn't already been on it before last week. The pharmacist told me that a dentist had attempted to prescribe it for all of his friends and family. Lupus patients CANNOT suddenly discontinue their meds.

This is exactly what I was saying earlier in this thread. People taking it because it might work will be causing people who definitely need it to go without. People need to stop being so horribly selfish. I'm glad you got your meds.

I’m the Pp suggesting that people opt in. It is horribly selfish to create an unnecessary risk for you, and others with the condition. I have a cousin very young with lupus.

This is something that pharma can rapidly ramp up production for. We can cut through red tape in some areas pretty easily to get things manufactured stateside. I’m frustrated that the politics at play are (as usual) getting in the way of practical solutions. Much of our manufacturing is done by batch doses of ingredients in machines, not people mixing up a concoction of Rx bottle by bottle. It’s not a human bodied compound pharmacy that would have to get these out there.

I’m glad you got your Rx too, and hope official guidance goes out to prioritize patients like you and so many others. Best wishes, PP.

Anonymous wrote:Risk of side effect, plus there isn't a lot of it to begin with and patients with other conditions, proven to be helped by the medication, need it.

Given the unusual circumstances evolving daily, I strongly believe that patients diagnosed as positive with COVID-19 should have the option to take this, and waive any risk or liability. It’s choosing a possible cure vs tossing a coin that you will get better on your own, and end up on a DNR ventilator, assuming you would get one. Let patients opt in, just like they are willing to opt in for clinical trials. Good grief.