Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

+1

IDK why the first reaction isn't - IT"S ABOUT TIME! I was horrified when my kindergartner and early elementary kids came home and said "kids with brown skin get in trouble a lot". They were taking this in just from being in school together, and generalizing from it. I am a huge fan of MCPS restorative justice. If little kids can see the differences in how students of color are treated so easily, why is it so hard for adults?

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

What if X is looking at your phone during class or going to the bathroom and being late for class.

Teachers are disciplining black students for things they let white kids slide on.

It was clear in the article they are talking about minor violations.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

You mean the white male security guard!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

They are specifically not talking about "physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson."

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Just to be accurate. That was Rockville HS, and it was all 'consensual' despite the fact that the girl was 14.

The RM case was a security team leader having sex with a student.

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

Anonymous wrote:As the parent of a mixed race kid (AA and white) who is 2- this is already on our minds when looking at schools.

My DH was (and is still) friends with mostly wealthy, white kids. One kid took the cops on a high speed chase through HoCo after being pulled over for a DUI. He got probation and a fine. If he was a minority, he would've been shot.

There are ingrained stereotypes that we all carry with us. Teachers and administrations are not exempt from this and data does not lie. More minority kids are suspended for lesser offenses and non-minority kids can tag a school with offense images (see reference to VA tagging in article about Glenelg "Among black families like hers, there were doubts that the white teens would face the kind of punishment black teens receive for similar crimes. Two years earlier, a group of students had painted swastikas on a historic black schoolhouse in Northern Virginia. A Loudoun County judge sentenced them not to jail time or community service, but to reading: along with visiting the Holocaust museum, each had to choose a single book about Nazi Germany or the Jim Crow era and write a report on it")

Every day, all day across the country.

Little white kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class=ADD/ADHD. Little black kids who cant sit still and are interrupting their class= thug, bad parenting, disruptive, etc.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So you think if Student A who is white does X and Student B who is black does X... the black student should be suspended and the white student should not be suspended?

No, I am saying that anyone who does X should get suspended. Teachers have already said here they can not suspend minorities the past 1-2 years, due to restorative justice - meaning until these "numbers" get fixed and the suspensions are even between blacks, hispanics, white and Asians. But they are not getting fixed. So now I am guessing we will suspend more white and asians to even it out.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why aren't we looking at the factors impacting the kids who are acting out, exploding, setting stuff on fire etc. We should be putting our energy there. And not just in the schools, which only can do so much. Instead of a bajillion trainings on implicit bias, why not beef up mental health support, and offer more parent education, and give students adult mentors and do other things that target some of the root problems. It's once again blaming teachers and admin and putting them in the position of allowing behaviors that put others at risk. If their numbers are disproportionate, they'll be publicly shamed with a list like this, but they'll also pay a price if they can't maintain any order in their classrooms and schools. Instead of paying a central office director to gallivant around the world recruiting teachers full time, use that money to help kids.

+ 1 million

Because it is way easier to blame teachers and admin. Makes MCPS leadership look like they're being all 'progressive' and doesn't really solve a single issue. Typical MCPS.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.

So true. The 18yr old illegal alien "freshman" having sex with another freshman in the hall at RM a few years ago? That was just kids being kids. No need to suspend them.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Although it’s a complex problem that will take a “comprehensive” plan to address, Johns said, he suggested that MCPS focuses on training teachers and principals about students’ different cultural backgrounds and on restorative justice.

The key, he said, is to not pull students out of class to discipline them for actions that are not serious. MCPS considers serious offenses to include physical or sexual assault, other forms of violence and arson.


More training on cultural backgrounds for teachers and principals? That will do it. That will solve the suspensions.
LOL

Also, don't forget that it's best to downplay anything. A kid hits another kid during PE? That's just kids being kids. Don't count it as 'assault'. Pretty much nothing in MCPS counts as 'physical assault'. Boys being raped in the locker rooms? Eh, it's just 'hazing'. I remember very distinctly that the press from MCPS after the Damascus rape case was exclusively about 'hazing' versus calling is sexual assault.