Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 02:24     Subject: Re:School bus - do I need to stop
If you are within 20 feet of the front or back of the school bus, you must stop. The stop zone is a 20 foot radius around the bus. The reason is that children may disembark the bus and go in any direction including running up to the intersection and trying to cross across your path.

If the bus is more than 20 feet from the intersection, you may make the turn and drive away from the bus.
Anonymous
Post 02/09/2020 00:10     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
On Thursday I witnessed a Montgomery county school bus pass right by a stopped Montgomery county school bus with the stop signs out and flashing red lights!!!

Happened on Tuckerman Lane, going up the hill towards old Georgetown rd.

The bus was stopped, and I was stopped behind it, and all the other traffic coming the other way was stopped, and the other bus drives right up behind me, pulls around into the other lanes, and goes right past the stopped bus!

WTF?!?!

How is this allowed?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 17:13     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have to, but there is a danger that a kid will cross the street you're on to get to/from the bus, so watch for that.


Not in this scenario. The kids load and unload way to the left of where my car is. The bus drives up from far left to slightly closer left. I am coming from bottom and planning on turning right.


How close is the bus to the intersection?


Maybe 2-3 bus lengths?


Yes. You should stop. Children may be crossing the road you are on.

It is a stop sign/stop light/circle?


Yes. You should stop. I know someone who got a ticket for doing this --- turning on the street that was perpendicular to where the bus was stopped. I'm sure there is some distance where it is o.k. --- like a block away -- but if you are in the vicinity of the bus, you need to wait.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 16:58     Subject: Re:School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:Where do you stop? You stop in such a way that you are
not overlapping the bus. So wherever you want.. a mile behind
is fine, bur five inches overlap and that is a NO.


There is never any overlap. Bus is to the left. I approach from below (this of a capital T; bus is on left part I am on stem part and want to go to right part).
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 16:30     Subject: Re:School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:1. if you don't know the rules. STOP. There are kids on the bus and kids
can spill and run in all directions and you can hurt a child. So STOP
like it were you or your kid on that bus. It takes only couple minutes
so you can meditate in this short time. Or practice mindful
breathing. Will do you good.

2. The really only situation when you can pass the buss in some jurisdictions
and don't count that if you go to the next county it will be the same..
is this.. a road has few lanes each direction and it is divided by a median.
median is an actual little strip of "land" that a kid can hop on to wait
needed be and not to end up under incoming traffic of the opposite direction:
Just two yeallow linies are NOT MEDIAN!!! you can't pass the buss
if there are just lines on no matter how busy street.





This is totally not the situation described.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 16:17     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Only exception if bus is on opposite side of a highway with a median. There is no exception for "But I wasn't going that way anyway."


So at what point do I not need to stop? The bus stops within sight of me but is about 100 ft from the point where I am (and I am turning right away from the bus)?

Does the law require anyone to stop more than 100 feet away from a stopped bus? I’ve lived in places that only required giving a stopped school bus a 50 foot berth.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 16:10     Subject: Re:School bus - do I need to stop
Where do you stop? You stop in such a way that you are
not overlapping the bus. So wherever you want.. a mile behind
is fine, bur five inches overlap and that is a NO.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 16:09     Subject: Re:School bus - do I need to stop
1. if you don't know the rules. STOP. There are kids on the bus and kids
can spill and run in all directions and you can hurt a child. So STOP
like it were you or your kid on that bus. It takes only couple minutes
so you can meditate in this short time. Or practice mindful
breathing. Will do you good.

2. The really only situation when you can pass the buss in some jurisdictions
and don't count that if you go to the next county it will be the same..
is this.. a road has few lanes each direction and it is divided by a median.
median is an actual little strip of "land" that a kid can hop on to wait
needed be and not to end up under incoming traffic of the opposite direction:
Just two yeallow linies are NOT MEDIAN!!! you can't pass the buss
if there are just lines on no matter how busy street.



Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 15:53     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have to, but there is a danger that a kid will cross the street you're on to get to/from the bus, so watch for that.


Not in this scenario. The kids load and unload way to the left of where my car is. The bus drives up from far left to slightly closer left. I am coming from bottom and planning on turning right.


What happens when the kid living in the house on your right comes flying out the door and runs across the intersection to catch the bus?


Nothing. Because no kids live there. But that isn’t really the point. I just want to know if I am legally required to stop or if those cars behind me honking are doing it because I am not.



You know where all the kids in a bus route live? I would stop, but no, you probably aren’t required to. The people behind me can kiss my ass.


This is my neighborhood. It only has about 30 houses. Yes I know where every child lives. I know who has grandchildren and who is child-free, too. Small neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 15:33     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have to, but there is a danger that a kid will cross the street you're on to get to/from the bus, so watch for that.


Not in this scenario. The kids load and unload way to the left of where my car is. The bus drives up from far left to slightly closer left. I am coming from bottom and planning on turning right.


What happens when the kid living in the house on your right comes flying out the door and runs across the intersection to catch the bus?


Nothing. Because no kids live there. But that isn’t really the point. I just want to know if I am legally required to stop or if those cars behind me honking are doing it because I am not.



You know where all the kids in a bus route live? I would stop, but no, you probably aren’t required to. The people behind me can kiss my ass.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 15:17     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have to, but there is a danger that a kid will cross the street you're on to get to/from the bus, so watch for that.


Not in this scenario. The kids load and unload way to the left of where my car is. The bus drives up from far left to slightly closer left. I am coming from bottom and planning on turning right.


What happens when the kid living in the house on your right comes flying out the door and runs across the intersection to catch the bus?


Nothing. Because no kids live there. But that isn’t really the point. I just want to know if I am legally required to stop or if those cars behind me honking are doing it because I am not.
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 15:15     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I don't think you have to, but there is a danger that a kid will cross the street you're on to get to/from the bus, so watch for that.


Not in this scenario. The kids load and unload way to the left of where my car is. The bus drives up from far left to slightly closer left. I am coming from bottom and planning on turning right.


What happens when the kid living in the house on your right comes flying out the door and runs across the intersection to catch the bus?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 14:45     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:I agree a cop might not give you a ticket (might pull you over for a warning) but a camera would be more likely to give you a ticket and there are cameras on all of the buses. It takes 1 min and the camera fine is $250. Are you making $15k an hour (after taxes)?

But you only get a ticket (or a warning in lieu of a ticket) if you were legally required to stop. That is OP's question - is she legally required to stop?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 14:42     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
I agree a cop might not give you a ticket (might pull you over for a warning) but a camera would be more likely to give you a ticket and there are cameras on all of the buses. It takes 1 min and the camera fine is $250. Are you making $15k an hour (after taxes)?
Anonymous
Post 02/05/2020 14:42     Subject: School bus - do I need to stop
Anonymous wrote:I wrote that you do need to stop, but I've changed my mind. I think you are fine not to stop (because you are not passing the bus) but kids can still be running to/from the bus in front of you, so it would be fine to stop if you felt that was the safer course of action.


Sure. There is another school that is close that kids walk to, so I am always careful. I am just specifically wondering about the requirement that I stop in this specific instance.