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Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

I think those numbers are wrong. I think there are 7300 5th graders and guessing about 4000 were tested. The 4000 number comes from last year.

Meaning about 1333 kids in each SES grouping and the percentiles are assigned by grouping. 13 99th percentile in each group or 39 in the county. But that assumes more of an even distribution. I think based on numbers I've seen before for high school that it's not an even distribution.

If there are lots of kids with the same score like if a whole bunch (10 percent of the total) got a perfect verbal score a perfect verbal score might only be 90th percentile. All of those kids would have gotten 90th percentile.

Except that would be local percentile, which still hasn’t come out yet. They would all be 99th percentile nationally, which is what we have now.

Agreed. Local percentiles are yet to be seen -- and I think those are the most interesting - while, nationally, 99% is not that hard of a bar to clear.

I just feel lucky that DD crosses that bar. The FARM rate is above 40% for DD's school, so that would help, I guess.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

I think those numbers are wrong. I think there are 7300 5th graders and guessing about 4000 were tested. The 4000 number comes from last year.

Meaning about 1333 kids in each SES grouping and the percentiles are assigned by grouping. 13 99th percentile in each group or 39 in the county. But that assumes more of an even distribution. I think based on numbers I've seen before for high school that it's not an even distribution.

If there are lots of kids with the same score like if a whole bunch (10 percent of the total) got a perfect verbal score a perfect verbal score might only be 90th percentile. All of those kids would have gotten 90th percentile.

Except that would be local percentile, which still hasn’t come out yet. They would all be 99th percentile nationally, which is what we have now.

Isn't that what that PP was asking about?

That language is not very clear. What they usually say about Cogat is that "measures LEARNED reasoning and problem-solving skills in three different areas: verbal, quantitative, and nonverbal."

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Anonymous wrote:V57, Q52, NQ 55, all 99%, 9B

Here's the thing. All these scores are great (this one in particular is terrific) but there aren't that many questions and the test is timed in a way that it's difficult to differentiate between a 99th percentile kid who had a good day and one that had a not good day and one that does well with this format and one that does poorly in this format. It's a timed group test that does okay at finding minimum levels of learned abilities. But it's not at all like an individually administered IQ test which is why it's a bit strange that it seems to be such a big part of the criteria for an invitation.

CogAt isn't about 'learned abilities' and it isn't that big of a part of the criteria for an invitation. MAPs and PARCC count a lot, too.

Please do some research before posting.

“A Cognitive Abilities Test is something that is unlike other tests. It is a learning abilities evaluation that
says little about what students actually already know and more about what they are capable of figuring out.
Each of us uses different skills to solve a problem, in fact, no two individuals will usually approach a problem
from the same perspective. Although there are natural tendencies, each person is different. The CogAT test
is a way to determine which skills your child is using to reason through a problem and to come to a
conclusion.
The cognitive testing that is done measures your child’s ability according to three different areas,
quantitative, verbal and non-verbal skills. When a person is confronted with a problem, s/he has the ability to
use any of these reasoning skills to solve it. For example, if your child encounters a problem that is
quantitative in nature, and s/he has a highly functioning quantitative skill set, s/he will do better than
someone who is functioning higher in verbal reasoning. Therefore, the test really is just a measure of how
well a person is able to solve general problems that require either one, two, or all of the reasoning skills that
should be at their disposal.” (Riverside Publishing, Houghton Mifflin.)

On your second point, in the first two "reads" of the MS magnet application process a student's academic performance which includes report cards, Map, PARCC etc is evaluated. In the second "read" Cogat is looked at separately. It is singled out as a criterion unlike the other tests.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

I think those numbers are wrong. I think there are 7300 5th graders and guessing about 4000 were tested. The 4000 number comes from last year.

Meaning about 1333 kids in each SES grouping and the percentiles are assigned by grouping. 13 99th percentile in each group or 39 in the county. But that assumes more of an even distribution. I think based on numbers I've seen before for high school that it's not an even distribution.

If there are lots of kids with the same score like if a whole bunch (10 percent of the total) got a perfect verbal score a perfect verbal score might only be 90th percentile. All of those kids would have gotten 90th percentile.

Except that would be local percentile, which still hasn’t come out yet. They would all be 99th percentile nationally, which is what we have now.

Agreed. Local percentiles are yet to be seen -- and I think those are the most interesting - while, nationally, 99% is not that hard of a bar to clear.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

I think those numbers are wrong. I think there are 7300 5th graders and guessing about 4000 were tested. The 4000 number comes from last year.

Meaning about 1333 kids in each SES grouping and the percentiles are assigned by grouping. 13 99th percentile in each group or 39 in the county. But that assumes more of an even distribution. I think based on numbers I've seen before for high school that it's not an even distribution.

If there are lots of kids with the same score like if a whole bunch (10 percent of the total) got a perfect verbal score a perfect verbal score might only be 90th percentile. All of those kids would have gotten 90th percentile.

Except that would be local percentile, which still hasn’t come out yet. They would all be 99th percentile nationally, which is what we have now.

Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

I think those numbers are wrong. I think there are 7300 5th graders and guessing about 4000 were tested. The 4000 number comes from last year.

Meaning about 1333 kids in each SES grouping and the percentiles are assigned by grouping. 13 99th percentile in each group or 39 in the county. But that assumes more of an even distribution. I think based on numbers I've seen before for high school that it's not an even distribution.

If there are lots of kids with the same score like if a whole bunch (10 percent of the total) got a perfect verbal score a perfect verbal score might only be 90th percentile. All of those kids would have gotten 90th percentile.

Anonymous wrote:As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

No, it doesn't mean that 73 have 99 percentile.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:V57, Q52, NQ 55, all 99%, 9B

Here's the thing. All these scores are great (this one in particular is terrific) but there aren't that many questions and the test is timed in a way that it's difficult to differentiate between a 99th percentile kid who had a good day and one that had a not good day and one that does well with this format and one that does poorly in this format. It's a timed group test that does okay at finding minimum levels of learned abilities. But it's not at all like an individually administered IQ test which is why it's a bit strange that it seems to be such a big part of the criteria for an invitation.

CogAt isn't about 'learned abilities' and it isn't that big of a part of the criteria for an invitation. MAPs and PARCC count a lot, too.

As per one of the forums here, 7300 kids out of 12000 kids in county have attended the Magnet Cogat test. does it mean that 73 kids have 99 percentile?
Will all these 73 kids will get into the magnet program?

Anonymous wrote:V57, Q52, NQ 55, all 99%, 9B

Here's the thing. All these scores are great (this one in particular is terrific) but there aren't that many questions and the test is timed in a way that it's difficult to differentiate between a 99th percentile kid who had a good day and one that had a not good day and one that does well with this format and one that does poorly in this format. It's a timed group test that does okay at finding minimum levels of learned abilities. But it's not at all like an individually administered IQ test which is why it's a bit strange that it seems to be such a big part of the criteria for an invitation.

Anonymous wrote:Just curious, how many total questions are there?

64 / 52 / 60

V51, Q49, NV50, 99%

Just curious, how many total questions are there?

V60, Q52, NV46