Anonymous wrote:From Inside Ed:

"In 1981, President Reagan first after surviving an assassination attempt was to deliver the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame. In 2009, many anti-abortion activists (largely outside the university) condemned Notre Dame for inviting President Obama to deliver the address, given his support for abortion rights. But he was warmly received and praised the university for being willing to listen to all views. University leaders at the time noted the tradition of inviting presidents, many times in their first year of office.

That tradition may have ended Thursday, when Notre Dame announced that Vice President Mike Pence would be this year's commencement speaker . . . not[ing] the links between Pence, a former Indiana governor, and Notre Dame."

They didn't want Trump and settled on Pence. Best they could do. Kudos to them.

What colleges have invited DT other then Liberty U. and the service academies?

From Inside Ed:

"In 1981, President Reagan first after surviving an assassination attempt was to deliver the commencement address at the University of Notre Dame. In 2009, many anti-abortion activists (largely outside the university) condemned Notre Dame for inviting President Obama to deliver the address, given his support for abortion rights. But he was warmly received and praised the university for being willing to listen to all views. University leaders at the time noted the tradition of inviting presidents, many times in their first year of office.

That tradition may have ended Thursday, when Notre Dame announced that Vice President Mike Pence would be this year's commencement speaker . . . not[ing] the links between Pence, a former Indiana governor, and Notre Dame."

They didn't want Trump and settled on Pence. Best they could do. Kudos to them.

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Anonymous wrote:Very different culturally. Georgetown is Jesuit and much more progressive/social justice oriented. ND is a big football school; Georgetown isn’t. As others have mentioned, the locations also couldn’t be more different.

You obviously know very little about ND's commitment to social justice.

https://kroc.nd.edu/

+1 ND is as social-justice oriented as they come.

Putting aside for a moment the role of social justice in the Jesuit tradition, which is unique, I’ll simply say that a school that invites Mike Pence to be commencement speaker cannot claim a deep and abiding commitment to social justice. Yes, Georgetown hosts speakers of all types, from all political backgrounds. But commencement speakers are a statement about who you are and what you value as an institution.

They did that to avoid having to invite Trump, who by the way is the first sitting president who they haven't invited the year after their inauguration. You really know nothing about the school.

signed, Jesuit undergrad degree, Notre Dame Law degree

Context is everything. Did not know this, but it makes sense. Thanks.

Wow. A gracious DCUM poster. You're welcome. Here's your context:

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/03/03/notre-dame-known-commencement-speeches-new-presidents-invites-pence

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn't want to be in South Bend for four years.

Mayor Pete disagrees.

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Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame. This shouldn’t even be up for debate.

yes it should. it is a valuable debate, unlike a useless blanket judgment with no explanation that contribute little.

Notre Dame is higher ranked and has a meaningful football team. Georgetown seems like some remnant school from the 80s.

I wouldn't want to be in South Bend for four years.

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Anonymous wrote:Very different culturally. Georgetown is Jesuit and much more progressive/social justice oriented. ND is a big football school; Georgetown isn’t. As others have mentioned, the locations also couldn’t be more different.

You obviously know very little about ND's commitment to social justice.

https://kroc.nd.edu/

+1 ND is as social-justice oriented as they come.

Putting aside for a moment the role of social justice in the Jesuit tradition, which is unique, I’ll simply say that a school that invites Mike Pence to be commencement speaker cannot claim a deep and abiding commitment to social justice. Yes, Georgetown hosts speakers of all types, from all political backgrounds. But commencement speakers are a statement about who you are and what you value as an institution.

They did that to avoid having to invite Trump, who by the way is the first sitting president who they haven't invited the year after their inauguration. You really know nothing about the school.

signed, Jesuit undergrad degree, Notre Dame Law degree

Context is everything. Did not know this, but it makes sense. Thanks.

Anonymous wrote:Georgetown has better access to internships

Source? Or are you simply assuming that because it's in DC and ND isn't?

Georgetown has better access to internships

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Anonymous wrote:Very different culturally. Georgetown is Jesuit and much more progressive/social justice oriented. ND is a big football school; Georgetown isn’t. As others have mentioned, the locations also couldn’t be more different.

You obviously know very little about ND's commitment to social justice.

https://kroc.nd.edu/

+1 ND is as social-justice oriented as they come.

Putting aside for a moment the role of social justice in the Jesuit tradition, which is unique, I’ll simply say that a school that invites Mike Pence to be commencement speaker cannot claim a deep and abiding commitment to social justice. Yes, Georgetown hosts speakers of all types, from all political backgrounds. But commencement speakers are a statement about who you are and what you value as an institution.

Like the holier-than-thou mindset. This is why adjunct profs don’t get paid well.

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Anonymous wrote:Very different culturally. Georgetown is Jesuit and much more progressive/social justice oriented. ND is a big football school; Georgetown isn’t. As others have mentioned, the locations also couldn’t be more different.

You obviously know very little about ND's commitment to social justice.

https://kroc.nd.edu/

+1 ND is as social-justice oriented as they come.

Putting aside for a moment the role of social justice in the Jesuit tradition, which is unique, I’ll simply say that a school that invites Mike Pence to be commencement speaker cannot claim a deep and abiding commitment to social justice. Yes, Georgetown hosts speakers of all types, from all political backgrounds. But commencement speakers are a statement about who you are and what you value as an institution.

They did that to avoid having to invite Trump, who by the way is the first sitting president who they haven't invited the year after their inauguration. You really know nothing about the school.

signed, Jesuit undergrad degree, Notre Dame Law degree

ND is higher ranked the Georgetown, with an endowment over twelve times larger. By *objective* measures, ND would have an edge. However, there are some things to think about:
- South Bend vs. DC — drastically different places
- ND is more Catholic than Georgetown...parietals, etc. For some people this is a positive, others a negative.
- dorm life is HUGE at ND with your dorm kind of functioning like a sorority or fraternity.
- does your kid want to go to school close to home or far?
- what is prospective major? For anything DC-centric (poli sci, IR etc.) Georgetown’s location would be appealing
- does your kid like sports? Football is a really really big deal at Notre Dame. Obviously not so much at Georgetown.
- Notre Dame is working on it, but for all intents and purposes it’s very homogenous and a bit of a bubble. Not that Georgetown is insanely diverse either, but definitely more than ND in that respect
- Georgetown is much more progressive than ND, which is pretty conservative in feel (of course, you can still find pockets of liberalism at ND and conservatism at Georgetown...but overall they are different)

Neither school is easy to get into these days.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame. This shouldn’t even be up for debate.

yes it should. it is a valuable debate, unlike a useless blanket judgment with no explanation that contribute little.

Notre Dame. This shouldn’t even be up for debate.