Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:36
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
ECNL is a soccer county club for affluent kids and us soccer is the same. Would be a tough call to choose which one is better or worse since they are basically the same in spite of your constant hard sell.
As somebody whose son is likely to decide against DA (even if he could make it, which is highly uncertain), I look at ECNL options exactly the same way. Nothing screams privilege like requiring kids to have parents spend thousands of dollars flying to play other clubs on the east coast when they could play comparable clubs right here. The financial commitment is an obvious barrier to entry and almost guarantees a much higher likelihood that a wealthier kid is likely to make that team vs. trying out at a really good club that plays locally. I understand why things are different on the girls side in ECNL. On the boys side, it looks absolutely like a country club, or like developing your kid to be on the varsity sailing or polo team as a way to get into a college they could not otherwise get into.
Boys have funded DAs so there is no comparison to the girls side. On the girls side, the two so called "national leagues" are quite similar so just choose the quality offering near your player if you can afford the time and money. If you can't, no one cares about your player. Cash is king for girls.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:33
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
ECNL is a soccer county club for affluent kids and us soccer is the same. Would be a tough call to choose which one is better or worse since they are basically the same in spite of your constant hard sell.
As somebody whose son is likely to decide against DA (even if he could make it, which is highly uncertain), I look at ECNL options exactly the same way. Nothing screams privilege like requiring kids to have parents spend thousands of dollars flying to play other clubs on the east coast when they could play comparable clubs right here. The financial commitment is an obvious barrier to entry and almost guarantees a much higher likelihood that a wealthier kid is likely to make that team vs. trying out at a really good club that plays locally. I understand why things are different on the girls side in ECNL. On the boys side, it looks absolutely like a country club, or like developing your kid to be on the varsity sailing or polo team as a way to get into a college they could not otherwise get into.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:32
Subject: Re:Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
The quality of the instruction is more important then the league. Sounds like the quality offering near you is GDA so good choice for your player. The gda offering near me would not help your player improve.
This blanket marketing of one league or the other is ill-informed nonsense.
This blanket marketing of one league or the other is ill-informed nonsense.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:27
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
ECNL is a soccer county club for affluent kids and us soccer is the same. Would be a tough call to choose which one is better or worse since they are basically the same in spite of your constant hard sell.
Oh I'm not selling. People will and should choose whatever makes sense to them, factoring in all that they consider important. Everything has its place. We were in ECNL when that was all there was, and now we are in DA. But playing for 6 months vs 11 months is not the same thing. I heard PDA, Michigan Hawks, and a couple of the mega ECNLs had toyed with a 10 month program for the top ECNL team. If they did that, now that would be something.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:23
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
As well as basically being a part time showcase league.
Showcases are easy enough to throw in the mix, and the players love them. Flying somewhere, seeing teams from all over, playing against teams they haven't played against before, all of that. Of course for parents, it's expensive.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:09
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
As well as basically being a part time showcase league.
coke vs. pepsi.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:05
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
As well as basically being a part time showcase league.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:05
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
ECNL is a soccer county club for affluent kids and us soccer is the same. Would be a tough call to choose which one is better or worse since they are basically the same in spite of your constant hard sell.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:03
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
US Soccer is already achieving that, even without the ECNL's cooperation. And the ECNL wasn't some perfect organization prior to the DA anyways. It will just happen differently. The ECNL is already helping US Soccer by watering itself down and doubling the number of ECNLs in NOVA from just 2 years ago.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 11:00
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Awww. Poor us soccer is having trouble just getting what it wants. Why oh why could that be?
Anonymous
01/09/2020 10:59
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:Why doesn't US Soccer rack and stack all the leagues top to bottom and use promotion/relegation.
I don't care which is on top, DA or ECNL, but if you finish in the bottom 3, the next league down gets to top 3 teams promoted.
Something to that effect. So in our area...
DA
ECNL
EDP
CCL
ECNL Regional
....
That actually is what US Soccer wants. In its mind, ECNL is tier 2 and is a feeder for the DA. But ECNL says no thank you and is fighting becoming tier 2, although it is slowly happening anyways.
That is one thing that hurts our system: no one wants to be a feeder. It's partially a money issue. In other countries, the feeders are paid when their players are picked up from the higher tiers.
Anonymous
01/09/2020 10:54
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:FCV younger garbage teams = writing on the wall. It needs to go. Parents voting them out - choosing other options.
FCV is the most badly impacted by dilution. Hence this stupid thread...
So what's the record for FCV's younger teams?
Anonymous
01/09/2020 08:23
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
DCU is leaving DC proper soon for Loudoun. Many D.C. players come from PG area and that side of the Beltway which is a difficult commute to Bethesda and Arlington
Anonymous
01/09/2020 08:21
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
Anonymous wrote:There needs to be a DA in DC proper.
Because there are so many elite players in DC proper (I assume you mean on the girls side since DCU already covers the boys) that they wouldn't need to draw kids from MD and VA into an even longer commute to practice than they currently have?
Anonymous
01/09/2020 08:14
Subject: Which club would you add/take off ECNL/DA list
FCV younger garbage teams = writing on the wall. It needs to go. Parents voting them out - choosing other options.
FCV is the most badly impacted by dilution. Hence this stupid thread...
FCV is the most badly impacted by dilution. Hence this stupid thread...