Anonymous wrote:Nancy and Maxine are doing a great job.

Voting has consequences.
When will people realize that?

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Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems like you’re advocating a “get tough on crime” stance. This has been a popular approach with the electorate over the last 30 years.

Jail and prison sentences do work to keep criminals out of society, but they aren’t deterrent. So they only work for as long as you can keep someone locked up. What’s a reasonable sentence for leaving a syringe on the street? Public defecation? Nor does incarceration rehabilitate such behaviors. So, after the revolving door of jail, people become homeless addicts again.

A lot of decidedly conservative folks, like lifelong police officers, have turned against tough on crime policies, not because they want to be “soft” or liberal toward anti-social behavior; they want to find something that works better and costs society less. Incarceration costs us $31k to $60k per inmate per year. It also uses police resources to bust up homeless encampments and patrol for vagrancy rather than focus on crimes that are an immediate threat to public safety. Even in SF, we can provide group housing and rehabilitation to people for less than $2500 to $5000 per month. The issue is that no one wants to pay for it politically.

You may also want to consider that, as income inequality grows, people get angrier. They may, in fact, be contributing to their own issues. However, public defection is often tied to anger disorders. As class issues and resentment grow, expect to see more poo where it doesn’t belong.

The issue isn’t that SF is lawless. The issue is that the social contract is broken. You don’t see the same types of problems in places with greater equality.

At the root of the issue is drug addiction. Without a rehab program in the prison system, it is indeed a revolving door. It's not even that expensive and certainly would be worth the cost in terms of recovering a broken city. SF pols want to call it a 'homeless' problem instead of a 'drug addiction' problem. Solving the drug problem will take care of the property crime and homelessness. SF needs to get tough on the drug dealers.

Anonymous wrote:OP, it seems like you’re advocating a “get tough on crime” stance. This has been a popular approach with the electorate over the last 30 years.

Jail and prison sentences do work to keep criminals out of society, but they aren’t deterrent. So they only work for as long as you can keep someone locked up. What’s a reasonable sentence for leaving a syringe on the street? Public defecation? Nor does incarceration rehabilitate such behaviors. So, after the revolving door of jail, people become homeless addicts again.

A lot of decidedly conservative folks, like lifelong police officers, have turned against tough on crime policies, not because they want to be “soft” or liberal toward anti-social behavior; they want to find something that works better and costs society less. Incarceration costs us $31k to $60k per inmate per year. It also uses police resources to bust up homeless encampments and patrol for vagrancy rather than focus on crimes that are an immediate threat to public safety. Even in SF, we can provide group housing and rehabilitation to people for less than $2500 to $5000 per month. The issue is that no one wants to pay for it politically.

You may also want to consider that, as income inequality grows, people get angrier. They may, in fact, be contributing to their own issues. However, public defection is often tied to anger disorders. As class issues and resentment grow, expect to see more poo where it doesn’t belong.

The issue isn’t that SF is lawless. The issue is that the social contract is broken. You don’t see the same types of problems in places with greater equality.

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Anonymous wrote:Go ahead and post this in the political forum. You'll get all sorts of people shouting how DARE you judge the homeless.

I find it interesting that a lot of the homeless problems in left wing cities are due to the facts that the wealthy liberals = the one who have already horded wealth go to extreme measures to protect their status. The west coast liberal elite defend a person's right to live in squalor but just not in THEIR neighborhood.

The liberal left LACK COMPASSION when they permit vagrants to commit property crimes and live in drug and violence infested "jungles."

The hypocrisy of the left wing is amazing.

As opposed to the hypocrisy and outright abdication of any moral authority by the right wing?? Take one look at what the right wing tolerates in their "leader" Trump and then try and defend it.......

I am sorry you can't see the hypocrisy of the left. They have built up the liberal elite at the expense of the poor and now encourage the mentally ill, drug addicts, people who have fallen on skid row to live like animals in the wild.

I know liberals fail to see their reflection in the mirror and attempting to trash Trump is the go-to come-back line. It's pretty old now. Try something different with actual merit.

Can you point to a county, city, or state that is doing a better job with the mentally ill and addicts, regardless of party leadership? I think that most people agree that the situation is really bad in SF, but what's the alternative? Internment camps? Building new mental institutions to house the mentally ill or dual diagnosis people? If any locality is doing a good job, I'd love to hear about it. We need to have a public discussion about these populations just as we are having one about structural racism right now. Just pinning everything on liberals is not a solution (the Gipper had a hand in this too, you know.)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go ahead and post this in the political forum. You'll get all sorts of people shouting how DARE you judge the homeless.

I find it interesting that a lot of the homeless problems in left wing cities are due to the facts that the wealthy liberals = the one who have already horded wealth go to extreme measures to protect their status. The west coast liberal elite defend a person's right to live in squalor but just not in THEIR neighborhood.

The liberal left LACK COMPASSION when they permit vagrants to commit property crimes and live in drug and violence infested "jungles."

The hypocrisy of the left wing is amazing.

As opposed to the hypocrisy and outright abdication of any moral authority by the right wing?? Take one look at what the right wing tolerates in their "leader" Trump and then try and defend it.......

I am sorry you can't see the hypocrisy of the left. They have built up the liberal elite at the expense of the poor and now encourage the mentally ill, drug addicts, people who have fallen on skid row to live like animals in the wild.

I know liberals fail to see their reflection in the mirror and attempting to trash Trump is the go-to come-back line. It's pretty old now. Try something different with actual merit.

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Anonymous wrote:Go ahead and post this in the political forum. You'll get all sorts of people shouting how DARE you judge the homeless.

I find it interesting that a lot of the homeless problems in left wing cities are due to the facts that the wealthy liberals = the one who have already horded wealth go to extreme measures to protect their status. The west coast liberal elite defend a person's right to live in squalor but just not in THEIR neighborhood.

The liberal left LACK COMPASSION when they permit vagrants to commit property crimes and live in drug and violence infested "jungles."

The hypocrisy of the left wing is amazing.

As opposed to the hypocrisy and outright abdication of any moral authority by the right wing?? Take one look at what the right wing tolerates in their "leader" Trump and then try and defend it.......

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Go ahead and post this in the political forum. You'll get all sorts of people shouting how DARE you judge the homeless.

I find it interesting that a lot of the homeless problems in left wing cities are due to the facts that the wealthy liberals = the one who have already horded wealth go to extreme measures to protect their status. The west coast liberal elite defend a person's right to live in squalor but just not in THEIR neighborhood.

The liberal left LACK COMPASSION when they permit vagrants to commit property crimes and live in drug and violence infested "jungles."

The hypocrisy of the left wing is amazing.

As opposed to the hypocrisy and outright abdication of any moral authority by the right wing?? Take one look at what the right wing tolerates in their "leader" Trump and then try and defend it.......