Anonymous wrote:Okay here’s the importance of parents. When folks write 75% they are trying to make a point about the quality of MCPS schools when you bet on them (and moved here) and realize they are run by incompetents. The figure is 33%. As if this place is filled with posters who cite research every time...

http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/sept17/vol75/num01/The-Power-of-Parental-Expectations.aspx

Here is what the artocle says: “
Moreover, as Jeynes (2011) concluded from his meta-analyses of research on parent involvement, the parenting style most correlated with student success combines love and support with structure and discipline. In other words, parental expectations for learning aren't delivered as thou-shalt-go-to-college edicts, but rather, as everyday enforcements of the value of education, sacrifice, and hard work that students come to internalize as high aspirations for themselves.
Doing Unto Parents …
How can we support parents in helping children internalize high aspirations for themselves? We might start by treating parents with kindness and respect, which, Jeynes observes, "may be more important than the specific guidelines and tutelage [schools] offer to parents" (2011, p. 10–11).
Respectful communication helps show that school overtures to engage parents come from a point of mutual concern about students, not from an attempt to get parents to comply with the school's wishes. Jeynes encourages educators to create a "customer-friendly" environment, inviting open communication with parents and visiting them in their homes to show that teachers have high hopes for, and commitment to, students. Ultimately, respecting parents and sharing our high aspirations for their children can model the subtle, yet powerful messages we know help students succeed—akin to the everyday reminder of a collegiate sweatshirt proclaiming our highest hopes for their future.‘
If any MCPS admin or BOE are on this site, please read.

Okay here’s the importance of parents. When folks write 75% they are trying to make a point about the quality of MCPS schools when you bet on them (and moved here) and realize they are run by incompetents. The figure is 33%. As if this place is filled with posters who cite research every time...

http://www.ascd.org/publications/educational-leadership/sept17/vol75/num01/The-Power-of-Parental-Expectations.aspx

A lot of colleges are moving away from SAT anyway.

Anonymous wrote:Give it a rest, OP.

When your kid applies to college, they use their own, individual SAT score. They don't apply to college with their high school's average SAT score.

This. An SAT score is more a measure of the child’s resources than anything else.

Anonymous wrote:Redlining kept black people out of white neighborhoods for decades. White schools were better. White people continued to buy in white neighborhoods and since white people had the money, prices went up there the most. Most white people dont want to live in a formerly redlined mostly black neighborhood. Since the white schools got more resources, white kids did better. They had the wealth and could afford the outside help for their kids. Now today there is a history of better performance in traditionally white neighborhoods that keeps the middle class and wealthy moving there.

First, the resources in all MCPS schools are allocated using the same formula, with extra funding for schools with more FARM students. The ‘good’ schools have less resources than the not so good schools.
Second, it is human nature that parents want to find a neighborhood that is safe. Please notice where UMC and MC AA families live. They don't live in NE or SE DC. Most of UMC AA families in DC live in NW.. Will you accuse them racists sts?

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Anonymous wrote:Give it a rest, OP.

When your kid applies to college, they use their own, individual SAT score. They don't apply to college with their high school's average SAT score.

Ok really slowly so you can understand

Would you rather have your kid grow up and be around kids who score 900 on SATs or 1400 on SATs get it

It's about the environment, you want an environment with a higher performing cohort

Why do I want this?

because you give a f about your child and want them to be challenged/successful

I mean really lol

OP, have you considered sending your child to one of these schools? You seem like a really concerned parent from your posts and these might find you some likeminded families. MCPS doesn’t really seem your speed.

https://www.sidwell.edu/

https://www.gds.org/

https://www.stalbansschool.org/

https://www.buffaloseminary.org/

Redlining kept black people out of white neighborhoods for decades. White schools were better. White people continued to buy in white neighborhoods and since white people had the money, prices went up there the most. Most white people dont want to live in a formerly redlined mostly black neighborhood. Since the white schools got more resources, white kids did better. They had the wealth and could afford the outside help for their kids. Now today there is a history of better performance in traditionally white neighborhoods that keeps the middle class and wealthy moving there.

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Anonymous wrote:You misinterpret the data about SAT scores. SAT scores are not reflective of quality of school teaching, nor are they linked to community or school average income level (as reflected by FARMS rate).

SAT scores *are* highly correlated to the family income of the student. The wealthier your family, the more likely you are to do well on the SAT. This is because wealthy families generally access private tutoring for SAT/ACT and class support. Particularly in HS, many students are getting tutors to make up for poor classroom teaching. Wealthy families also access more enrichment activities, etc., for their kids.

No, even before SAT prep was a thing (and consistently around the world), educational attainment is correlated to the mother's level of education. It is not because all of the rich kids go to Kaplan.

This, exactly. So glad someone else is pointing this out.

Yes, and even more so true now with prep....

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Anonymous wrote:You misinterpret the data about SAT scores. SAT scores are not reflective of quality of school teaching, nor are they linked to community or school average income level (as reflected by FARMS rate).

SAT scores *are* highly correlated to the family income of the student. The wealthier your family, the more likely you are to do well on the SAT. This is because wealthy families generally access private tutoring for SAT/ACT and class support. Particularly in HS, many students are getting tutors to make up for poor classroom teaching. Wealthy families also access more enrichment activities, etc., for their kids.

No, even before SAT prep was a thing (and consistently around the world), educational attainment is correlated to the mother's level of education. It is not because all of the rich kids go to Kaplan.

This, exactly. So glad someone else is pointing this out.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is all that meaningful. When I realize scores for typically non-FARMS cohorts at schools like Blair are 70 points higher than any W this non-sense kind of falls apart.

The county had Blair's SAT average for the largest common cohort at 1326 whereas the highest W was 1270 or so. Someone complained that it was the 30 magnet students in that cohort skewing the results but but when they removed those scores the average SAT score was still 1290 something. Perhaps, someday these parents will realize diversity is not a problem.

you won't convince W parents

yeah for the last time it's SES and really FARMS/at-risk that is the issue. It's highly correlated to race in this area since there are so few poor whites and there are large amounts of poorer blacks and hispanics

Studies show Parental education level (specifically the mother) and parental IQ top all other factors. And no these don’t necessarily correspond to high SES
Researchers can control for this.

Anonymous wrote:Give it a rest, OP.

When your kid applies to college, they use their own, individual SAT score. They don't apply to college with their high school's average SAT score.

+1

OP’s child will still do all the prep courses no matter what school he attends.

Plus, what happened to the DCUM “fact” that 75% of student success is due to what parents do with the child at home?

"No, even before SAT prep was a thing (and consistently around the world), educational attainment is correlated to the mother's level of education. It is not because all of the rich kids go to Kaplan. "

There are a list of things correlated with educational attainment. Income is one. Income as in one on one tutoring > Kaplan > easy access to Khan academy > prep books > nothing

The best ways to prep cost more.

But I agree with the person who said that redistricting is likely to be a wash (better cohort vs easier admissions against your cohort) for those with money and a high level of parent education.

Anonymous wrote:You misinterpret the data about SAT scores. SAT scores are not reflective of quality of school teaching, nor are they linked to community or school average income level (as reflected by FARMS rate).

SAT scores *are* highly correlated to the family income of the student. The wealthier your family, the more likely you are to do well on the SAT. This is because wealthy families generally access private tutoring for SAT/ACT and class support. Particularly in HS, many students are getting tutors to make up for poor classroom teaching. Wealthy families also access more enrichment activities, etc., for their kids.

No, even before SAT prep was a thing (and consistently around the world), educational attainment is correlated to the mother's level of education. It is not because all of the rich kids go to Kaplan.

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Anonymous wrote:Give it a rest, OP.

When your kid applies to college, they use their own, individual SAT score. They don't apply to college with their high school's average SAT score.

Ok really slowly so you can understand

Would you rather have your kid grow up and be around kids who score 900 on SATs or 1400 on SATs get it

It's about the environment, you want an environment with a higher performing cohort

Why do I want this?

because you give a f about your child and want them to be challenged/successful

I mean really lol

Your posts are incredibly shallow and not very bright.

I'd rather my kid go to a school with lower SAT scores. Middle/top kids will have less competition. The real issue is money and race.