Anonymous
12/06/2019 09:31
Subject: Re:Business Analytics major
Anonymous wrote:Ok LISTEN TO ME, I have worked with nonprofit analytics for over a decade and have interviewed at least a dozen entry-level data scientists out of college to do this kind of work.
Business analytics is a perfectly good major! Better than math probably - math is extremely abstract. Interesting, yes, but it's a long line from a math major to the actual analytics work that nonprofits are doing. Economics or political science would be other interesting ones to consider, and even a minor in computer science. She could also look into minors in public policy or international affairs to get a stronger qualitative background.
The most important thing is that she learns and gets exposed to the right tools: I assume she wants to work in big NGOs, not local nonprofits? If that's the case, ignore the posters saying that nonprofits can't afford to hire analytics talent. That's not true at all. Gates Foundation, Red Cross, CARE USA, United Way, UN, etc. all have data and analytics teams AND you can also look at their "monitoring and evaluation" teams to see additional applications of statistics and math.
The most important thing for her is getting the right skills: Excel and Tableau will be nice to have, but R is a must have (or Python is great, or less-great but still helpful are SPSS or Stata). SQL would also be a very useful skill but she can pick that up pretty easily from an online tutorial.
Here are some interesting volunteer and fellowship opportunities she should look into:
https://www.datakind.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/projects/
If she's really, really ambitious, the best recommendation I can make is that she starts building an online portfolio. It can be small, with a link to her github and a summary of 2-3 projects that she's proud of. Preferably using public data in an area she's interested in. If I were starting college now, I would make it a goal to add one new project to my portfolio per year. By the time she graduates she'll have a nice little online portfolio, a few great and high-demand technical skills like R or Python, and hopefully some sort of relevant internship under her belt. She'll be golden!
I would also encourage her to at least consider starting in consulting or, if she can stand it, private sector work. The big NGOs love to hire talent out of the private sector. She doesn't have to do it but I would throw her resume in for a few really good private sector jobs (Google, Big 3 consulting, Amazon, etc.) because if she does that for 4-5 years she'll learn a ton and she'll be able to leapfrog a few levels in the nonprofit sector that way.
Good luck to your daughter, it's a fun field!
Maybe this is wrong, but maybe one organization with a ton of data and hard time analyzing it is DCUM. Or maybe Jeff Steele has webmaster friends with many terabytes of unexploited traffic data.
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:39
Subject: Business Analytics major
There is a ton of great advice in here (especially about learning R and Python and starting to build a portfolio of analytics projects).
I was a government and psychology major in school, did the psych major entirely for the stats and analytics background. That tactical skillset is what got me my first job, because those analytics skills were something I could apply right away to add value. The liberal arts skills have helped me keep growing from there. Super strong combination in my opinion.
I was a government and psychology major in school, did the psych major entirely for the stats and analytics background. That tactical skillset is what got me my first job, because those analytics skills were something I could apply right away to add value. The liberal arts skills have helped me keep growing from there. Super strong combination in my opinion.
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:38
Subject: Re:Business Analytics major
Anonymous wrote:Ok LISTEN TO ME, I have worked with nonprofit analytics for over a decade and have interviewed at least a dozen entry-level data scientists out of college to do this kind of work.
Business analytics is a perfectly good major! Better than math probably - math is extremely abstract. Interesting, yes, but it's a long line from a math major to the actual analytics work that nonprofits are doing. Economics or political science would be other interesting ones to consider, and even a minor in computer science. She could also look into minors in public policy or international affairs to get a stronger qualitative background.
The most important thing is that she learns and gets exposed to the right tools: I assume she wants to work in big NGOs, not local nonprofits? If that's the case, ignore the posters saying that nonprofits can't afford to hire analytics talent. That's not true at all. Gates Foundation, Red Cross, CARE USA, United Way, UN, etc. all have data and analytics teams AND you can also look at their "monitoring and evaluation" teams to see additional applications of statistics and math.
The most important thing for her is getting the right skills: Excel and Tableau will be nice to have, but R is a must have (or Python is great, or less-great but still helpful are SPSS or Stata). SQL would also be a very useful skill but she can pick that up pretty easily from an online tutorial.
Here are some interesting volunteer and fellowship opportunities she should look into:
https://www.datakind.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/projects/
If she's really, really ambitious, the best recommendation I can make is that she starts building an online portfolio. It can be small, with a link to her github and a summary of 2-3 projects that she's proud of. Preferably using public data in an area she's interested in. If I were starting college now, I would make it a goal to add one new project to my portfolio per year. By the time she graduates she'll have a nice little online portfolio, a few great and high-demand technical skills like R or Python, and hopefully some sort of relevant internship under her belt. She'll be golden!
I would also encourage her to at least consider starting in consulting or, if she can stand it, private sector work. The big NGOs love to hire talent out of the private sector. She doesn't have to do it but I would throw her resume in for a few really good private sector jobs (Google, Big 3 consulting, Amazon, etc.) because if she does that for 4-5 years she'll learn a ton and she'll be able to leapfrog a few levels in the nonprofit sector that way.
Good luck to your daughter, it's a fun field!
The other thing that she should know is that there are pretty concentrated and limited number of employers for her. With a few exceptions (Gates in Seattle or MacArther in Chicago for example) she's almost definitely going to want to head to NYC or SF after graduation. DC's not a bad city for it but it's definitely not the best. Outside of those cities there are very, very few opportunities for this kind of work.
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:33
Subject: Re:Business Analytics major
Ok LISTEN TO ME, I have worked with nonprofit analytics for over a decade and have interviewed at least a dozen entry-level data scientists out of college to do this kind of work.
Business analytics is a perfectly good major! Better than math probably - math is extremely abstract. Interesting, yes, but it's a long line from a math major to the actual analytics work that nonprofits are doing. Economics or political science would be other interesting ones to consider, and even a minor in computer science. She could also look into minors in public policy or international affairs to get a stronger qualitative background.
The most important thing is that she learns and gets exposed to the right tools: I assume she wants to work in big NGOs, not local nonprofits? If that's the case, ignore the posters saying that nonprofits can't afford to hire analytics talent. That's not true at all. Gates Foundation, Red Cross, CARE USA, United Way, UN, etc. all have data and analytics teams AND you can also look at their "monitoring and evaluation" teams to see additional applications of statistics and math.
The most important thing for her is getting the right skills: Excel and Tableau will be nice to have, but R is a must have (or Python is great, or less-great but still helpful are SPSS or Stata). SQL would also be a very useful skill but she can pick that up pretty easily from an online tutorial.
Here are some interesting volunteer and fellowship opportunities she should look into:
https://www.datakind.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/projects/
If she's really, really ambitious, the best recommendation I can make is that she starts building an online portfolio. It can be small, with a link to her github and a summary of 2-3 projects that she's proud of. Preferably using public data in an area she's interested in. If I were starting college now, I would make it a goal to add one new project to my portfolio per year. By the time she graduates she'll have a nice little online portfolio, a few great and high-demand technical skills like R or Python, and hopefully some sort of relevant internship under her belt. She'll be golden!
I would also encourage her to at least consider starting in consulting or, if she can stand it, private sector work. The big NGOs love to hire talent out of the private sector. She doesn't have to do it but I would throw her resume in for a few really good private sector jobs (Google, Big 3 consulting, Amazon, etc.) because if she does that for 4-5 years she'll learn a ton and she'll be able to leapfrog a few levels in the nonprofit sector that way.
Good luck to your daughter, it's a fun field!
Business analytics is a perfectly good major! Better than math probably - math is extremely abstract. Interesting, yes, but it's a long line from a math major to the actual analytics work that nonprofits are doing. Economics or political science would be other interesting ones to consider, and even a minor in computer science. She could also look into minors in public policy or international affairs to get a stronger qualitative background.
The most important thing is that she learns and gets exposed to the right tools: I assume she wants to work in big NGOs, not local nonprofits? If that's the case, ignore the posters saying that nonprofits can't afford to hire analytics talent. That's not true at all. Gates Foundation, Red Cross, CARE USA, United Way, UN, etc. all have data and analytics teams AND you can also look at their "monitoring and evaluation" teams to see additional applications of statistics and math.
The most important thing for her is getting the right skills: Excel and Tableau will be nice to have, but R is a must have (or Python is great, or less-great but still helpful are SPSS or Stata). SQL would also be a very useful skill but she can pick that up pretty easily from an online tutorial.
Here are some interesting volunteer and fellowship opportunities she should look into:
https://www.datakind.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/
http://www.dssgfellowship.org/projects/
If she's really, really ambitious, the best recommendation I can make is that she starts building an online portfolio. It can be small, with a link to her github and a summary of 2-3 projects that she's proud of. Preferably using public data in an area she's interested in. If I were starting college now, I would make it a goal to add one new project to my portfolio per year. By the time she graduates she'll have a nice little online portfolio, a few great and high-demand technical skills like R or Python, and hopefully some sort of relevant internship under her belt. She'll be golden!
I would also encourage her to at least consider starting in consulting or, if she can stand it, private sector work. The big NGOs love to hire talent out of the private sector. She doesn't have to do it but I would throw her resume in for a few really good private sector jobs (Google, Big 3 consulting, Amazon, etc.) because if she does that for 4-5 years she'll learn a ton and she'll be able to leapfrog a few levels in the nonprofit sector that way.
Good luck to your daughter, it's a fun field!
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:26
Subject: Business Analytics major
My DC had an internship at a non profit in the finance dept - excel skills, data analysis, budgets, powerpoint, tableau - were used and DC even taught some of the employees excel and tableau before DC left. Also made excel spreadsheets easy to use and created several financial reports for the CFO. Yes, they do need these type of skills at non profits.
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:25
Subject: Business Analytics major
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:OP. Ask your DD to get some experience with "real-world" tools - Excel, Word, Access and powerpoint. I mean expert level knowledge. Microsoft has trainign classes and so do Udemy and other places.
Next pick an analytics tool and get very familiar with how it works - e.g. Tableau, Qlik or Power BI. I beleive you can get Qlik and Power BI for free as an individual and get very familiar with them. Do several projects on her own. Take free classes online, etc.
Third, identify some Data science classes and use cases. Again, if she's not taking them in college, there are online classes that are free to cheap. Same as above.. learn the tools, practice and know how to tell a good story.
With the above list of skills, she'd be head and shoulders above anyone else that interviews for the job she wants.
A wholehearted +1!
Yep +100
Anonymous
12/04/2019 09:14
Subject: Business Analytics major
I've spoken to a number of people in the development sector (not NGOs, but companies that work on foreign aid as contractors, etc). They say they tend to hire people with degrees in International Affairs but are frustrated that their new hires have no business skills at all-- think, ability to make spreadsheets, think clearly about budgets, etc. They would love a student with concrete business skills (which she would pick up from the general business education) and good analytics skills.
The challenge might be getting the first interview because those types of enterprises tend not to interview with business schools. And a small oddity is that business schools often have their own career center that is separate from that of the university. So the internship idea is a good one-- an internship somewhere she'd love to get an offer later on.
The challenge might be getting the first interview because those types of enterprises tend not to interview with business schools. And a small oddity is that business schools often have their own career center that is separate from that of the university. So the internship idea is a good one-- an internship somewhere she'd love to get an offer later on.
Anonymous
12/03/2019 21:35
Subject: Business Analytics major
Your DD should know that there are very few nonprofits who can devote resources to a business analytics position, no matter how desperately they need people with those skills.
Anyways maybe she can aim for think tanks, universities or large hospital systems. Or consulting firms that assist nonprofits with outcomes evaluations.
She’s still young so she’ll probably iterate through many options in the coming years! It is a needed skill for sure.
Anyways maybe she can aim for think tanks, universities or large hospital systems. Or consulting firms that assist nonprofits with outcomes evaluations.
She’s still young so she’ll probably iterate through many options in the coming years! It is a needed skill for sure.
Anonymous
12/03/2019 17:32
Subject: Business Analytics major
Anonymous wrote:OP. Ask your DD to get some experience with "real-world" tools - Excel, Word, Access and powerpoint. I mean expert level knowledge. Microsoft has trainign classes and so do Udemy and other places.
Next pick an analytics tool and get very familiar with how it works - e.g. Tableau, Qlik or Power BI. I beleive you can get Qlik and Power BI for free as an individual and get very familiar with them. Do several projects on her own. Take free classes online, etc.
Third, identify some Data science classes and use cases. Again, if she's not taking them in college, there are online classes that are free to cheap. Same as above.. learn the tools, practice and know how to tell a good story.
With the above list of skills, she'd be head and shoulders above anyone else that interviews for the job she wants.
A wholehearted +1!