OP, I would prepare a packet regardless of when you get the results. Our AART recommended doing one even if our child made the referral pool, just as added insurance to provide as much information as allowed for consideration. If your child doesn't get in, you will always wonder what else you could have done. It's worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:Says here by mid-Jan., ugh.

https://www.fcps.edu/node/35370

I wonder if it said that last year when results were mailed in December.

Yeah I wondered that, too !!

Pretty sure it did.

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This is not correct. The appeal has nothing to do with the original parent referral, you just need to submit the required materials for appeal and follow the deadline.

PP is referring to children who are not in pool and are parent referred. If a child is not in pool and not parent referred, then the parents cannot appeal later.

This. If you're not in pool and don't do a parent referral, they won't make a packet for your child. Your child then won't be screened by the central committee, so there won't be any decision to appeal. If you want to leave the door open for a WISC and appeal, you have to do whatever is needed for your child to be screened in the first place.

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OP said she wanted to see if it was worth doing a packet. For a lot of people, it isn’t a matter of, oh my kid is in pool, I won’t bother, but more of the kid got a 105 on CogAT, it is highly, highly unlikely that kid will be admitted no matter how fabulous the packet, so why bother.

That's a foolish approach, though. If your kid has a fabulous packet and low CogAT scores, you can always get a WISC and appeal. Sometimes, kids with high IQs test very poorly on CogAT or just didn't understand one of the sections. If you don't do the parent referral, there is no opportunity to appeal. Also, some kids are admitted with much lower scores than what people would imagine. They really are looking holistically at the packets. Even if your kid ends up with low scores and a meh packet, it doesn't hurt you to submit a referral anyway. At the very least, it will cause the local committee to think about your child and consider your child for Level III services, advanced math, and other things like that.

This is not correct. The appeal has nothing to do with the original parent referral, you just need to submit the required materials for appeal and follow the deadline.

PP is referring to children who are not in pool and are parent referred. If a child is not in pool and not parent referred, then the parents cannot appeal later.

FCPS has a universal screening process for gifted students but not a universal admission process. I agree with that. Asking FCPS to create a packet for every single 2nd grader in FCPS is too burdensome and a poor use of resources.

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OP said she wanted to see if it was worth doing a packet. For a lot of people, it isn’t a matter of, oh my kid is in pool, I won’t bother, but more of the kid got a 105 on CogAT, it is highly, highly unlikely that kid will be admitted no matter how fabulous the packet, so why bother.

That's a foolish approach, though. If your kid has a fabulous packet and low CogAT scores, you can always get a WISC and appeal. Sometimes, kids with high IQs test very poorly on CogAT or just didn't understand one of the sections. If you don't do the parent referral, there is no opportunity to appeal. Also, some kids are admitted with much lower scores than what people would imagine. They really are looking holistically at the packets. Even if your kid ends up with low scores and a meh packet, it doesn't hurt you to submit a referral anyway. At the very least, it will cause the local committee to think about your child and consider your child for Level III services, advanced math, and other things like that.

This is not correct. The appeal has nothing to do with the original parent referral, you just need to submit the required materials for appeal and follow the deadline.

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OP said she wanted to see if it was worth doing a packet. For a lot of people, it isn’t a matter of, oh my kid is in pool, I won’t bother, but more of the kid got a 105 on CogAT, it is highly, highly unlikely that kid will be admitted no matter how fabulous the packet, so why bother.

That's a foolish approach, though. If your kid has a fabulous packet and low CogAT scores, you can always get a WISC and appeal. Sometimes, kids with high IQs test very poorly on CogAT or just didn't understand one of the sections. If you don't do the parent referral, there is no opportunity to appeal. Also, some kids are admitted with much lower scores than what people would imagine. They really are looking holistically at the packets. Even if your kid ends up with low scores and a meh packet, it doesn't hurt you to submit a referral anyway. At the very least, it will cause the local committee to think about your child and consider your child for Level III services, advanced math, and other things like that.

Anonymous wrote:If your child isn't accepted "in pool" do get a notice for that too or do they just send you the scores and that's all you hear? Thanks!

I got an in pool letter but it was AFTER any supplemental info was due.

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Anonymous wrote:Thanks! I am hoping to get this info soon so I can decide if doing a packet is worth it...

If you think your kid is above average and/or want your kid in AAP, it's always worth doing the packet. There have been numerous posters on this forum who said that they wouldn't have applied if they had seen the CogAT scores beforehand - and their kids got accepted into AAP. The process is holistic, and kids can get in with relatively low scores if the rest of the packet is strong. Even if your kid is in-pool, it's better to give the committee more info and a more complete picture of your kid.

It only takes about 30 minutes to fill out the parent referral and questionnaire forms. I don't understand why there's so much hand wringing over whether to do them or not.

Even if the CogAT scores are in-pool, it's worth completing the parent forms and sending in any really good work samples that you have. They say that something like 30% of in-pool students are NOT accepted so it's good to have some extra info in the package.

OP said she wanted to see if it was worth doing a packet. For a lot of people, it isn’t a matter of, oh my kid is in pool, I won’t bother, but more of the kid got a 105 on CogAT, it is highly, highly unlikely that kid will be admitted no matter how fabulous the packet, so why bother.

Anonymous wrote:If your child isn't accepted "in pool" do get a notice for that too or do they just send you the scores and that's all you hear? Thanks!

You only receive an in-pool letter if your child is in-pool. They don't send out "not-in-pool" letters.

Anonymous wrote:If your child isn't accepted "in pool" do get a notice for that too or do they just send you the scores and that's all you hear? Thanks!

I believe there are two letters.

If your child isn't accepted "in pool" do get a notice for that too or do they just send you the scores and that's all you hear? Thanks!

Anonymous wrote:If your child took the WPPSI before entering K (part of full neuropsych), would you include that score in parent referral? This was the only testing we’ve done Outside of school.

WPPSI isn't on the list of tests accepted by the committee. This makes perfect sense, because tests taken as a preschooler are too unstable and not at all relevant to the academic needs of a 2nd grader.

Anonymous wrote:If your child took the WPPSI before entering K (part of full neuropsych), would you include that score in parent referral? This was the only testing we’ve done Outside of school.

No, that was too long ago.

If your child took the WPPSI before entering K (part of full neuropsych), would you include that score in parent referral? This was the only testing we’ve done Outside of school.

Especially this past year, there were a LOT of kids in-pool they were not accepted in round 1 at our center school. If you are seriously considering AAP for your child, I would prepare the packet and spend some time filling the questionnaire out. Under the new holistic approach, I don't know if "let the scores speak for themselves/it will look like a parent referred kid not in-pool kid" is a strong argument.