Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.



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If schools have to resort to foreign students, that necessarily means there is less competition for Americans.

At some schools, yes. But Harvard is 13% international students and I'm pretty sure that wasn't because there wasn't enough good American applicants to fill the Harvard class.

There will always be foreign students who can pay and will fill the spaces.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

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If schools have to resort to foreign students, that necessarily means there is less competition for Americans.

At some schools, yes. But Harvard is 13% international students and I'm pretty sure that wasn't because there wasn't enough good American applicants to fill the Harvard class.

Harvard is not the only school in the country. We’re not all Harvard or bust crazies.

Anonymous wrote:Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

Nope. A lot of schools would rather have foreigner money than server Americans. "Diversity" is one of their key selling points and people for some unknown reason prefer to send their kids to colleges filled with kids that can't speak proper English vs. kids who can..

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

+1

If schools have to resort to foreign students, that necessarily means there is less competition for Americans.

At some schools, yes. But Harvard is 13% international students and I'm pretty sure that wasn't because there wasn't enough good American applicants to fill the Harvard class.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

+1

If schools have to resort to foreign students, that necessarily means there is less competition for Americans.

At some schools, yes. But Harvard is 13% international students and I'm pretty sure that wasn't because there wasn't enough good American applicants to fill the Harvard class.

Anonymous wrote:Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

+1

If schools have to resort to foreign students, that necessarily means there is less competition for Americans.

Anonymous wrote:Law schools just went through this, as there was a 10-20% drop in applications after 2008. Some of the lowest ranked/worst managed schools went out of business. Many in the middle cut their class sizes. Those at the top had to compete more for the best students--offering increased scholarship $$, etc.--and getting into top schools got easier. I imagine something similar will happen with undergrad when the application numbers drop.

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Chinakids will fill in the gaps.. Once Trump is gone and the Dems/traditional republicans are back in power they will be lining up to bend over to the communists..

Why do people keep saying foreign born students will keep competition up?

American students compete with other Americans. Then if there are spots left, they let in foreigners who can pay.

But all else equal, they prefer Americans who can pay.

Less competitive privates will fail. Especially in the North and Mid-west. Public schools are expanding and privates will not be able to compete unless they are in fact better schools.

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Anonymous wrote:I am on the board of a very small college in the midwest. We have seen our freshman class rise from 880 in the early 2000s to 1400 this year. We are planning it to stager and then drop off. We hope not back to 900...we would love for it to stay around 1050/1100 by 2030. My point is if my little itty bitty home town college knows its coming I am sure the big schools have a huge plan in action for it too. We have also finished all our new buildings for the foreseeable future...we got caught up in a cycle where every 5 years we open the newest and greatest XZY center and we aren't going to swim in that pool anymore. One thing we are worried about is potentially having empty dorms so we are looking at incising upperclassman to stay on campus when the population drops off.

I was a Gen X/baby bust student. My school had a couple of empty dorms. They were refurbished and opened when the current crop hit campus.

Yup. I was born in 1974, which I believe I’ve read was the absolute nadir in number of births in the U.S. When I was growing up, elementary schools were closing. In my big, populous county, a large high school had 2000 kids, which is the norm now. And the acceptance rate at the top-25 school I attended was higher my HS graduation year (1992) than it has been in the last 30 years.

It’s also well-covered that Gen X is much, much smaller than the Boomers or Millenial generations. So it makes sense that Gen Z, composed mostly of the children of Gen X, is also smaller. I would assume the result of this population bust will be lots of smaller schools closing and top 100 schools becoming less selective. Then, when the Millenials’ kids come of age, demand at top 100 will go nuts again, but the relief valves of smaller schools won’t be there. So predators (like for-profit schools) will fill the demand, leaving large numbers of students with crazy debt.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Law schools just went through this, as there was a 10-20% drop in applications after 2008. Some of the lowest ranked/worst managed schools went out of business. Many in the middle cut their class sizes. Those at the top had to compete more for the best students--offering increased scholarship $$, etc.--and getting into top schools got easier. I imagine something similar will happen with undergrad when the application numbers drop.

The lower number of students is attributed to the recession. People had fewer children and millennials as a whole are not having them.

A study out later week found the number of foreign-born students applying for college here has dropped significantly. They, like US students, will still vie for admission to the top 25 school.

Given the climate toward immigrants, can you blame them?

Anonymous wrote:I am on the board of a very small college in the midwest. We have seen our freshman class rise from 880 in the early 2000s to 1400 this year. We are planning it to stager and then drop off. We hope not back to 900...we would love for it to stay around 1050/1100 by 2030. My point is if my little itty bitty home town college knows its coming I am sure the big schools have a huge plan in action for it too. We have also finished all our new buildings for the foreseeable future...we got caught up in a cycle where every 5 years we open the newest and greatest XZY center and we aren't going to swim in that pool anymore. One thing we are worried about is potentially having empty dorms so we are looking at incising upperclassman to stay on campus when the population drops off.

I was a Gen X/baby bust student. My school had a couple of empty dorms. They were refurbished and opened when the current crop hit campus.

Anonymous wrote:NP. So I’m assuming it’ll still be hard to get into the tippy top schools (Ivy plus Stanford and such).

What about the next rung though? Wash U, Williams, Middlebury, Hopkins, Emory, Tufts, Rice, UR, Vandy, etc.

Think competition will drop there?

No. They still have far more qualified students than they have spots.