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Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

I have one GT child and one that isn't. Yes, you can accurately predict in 2nd grade. Even as early as age 4 on the WPPSI test which is taken for the elite privates in DC. I think only one child in our school that got waitlisted should have made it to the program and there was maybe one that should not have. MCPS doesn't have enough seats for all the GT students so the ones that get in are truly gifted. This carries on at Blair when they have the ability to take Functions.

No one is saying that doing well on a test in 2nd grade has no predictive value as to test taking ability (or gifted-ness, if you want to call it that) in 3rd or 5th grade. They are only saying that you can slay this test, and it won't mean anything for the CES program or MS magnets; you need to slay those tests, too. If people feel better that their kid was labeled gifted in 2nd grade, I guess that's fine, but it won''t change much the education your kid gets in 3rd grade, based on our experience.

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

I have one GT child and one that isn't. Yes, you can accurately predict in 2nd grade. Even as early as age 4 on the WPPSI test which is taken for the elite privates in DC. I think only one child in our school that got waitlisted should have made it to the program and there was maybe one that should not have. MCPS doesn't have enough seats for all the GT students so the ones that get in are truly gifted. This carries on at Blair when they have the ability to take Functions.

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Anonymous wrote:Can anyone tell me which cogat is given in 3rd grade? Is it the cogat screener or cogat- 3rd grade?

Screener

thank you.

Anonymous wrote:Can anyone tell me which cogat is given in 3rd grade? Is it the cogat screener or cogat- 3rd grade?

Screener

Can anyone tell me which cogat is given in 3rd grade? Is it the cogat screener or cogat- 3rd grade?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Not this year. And it is meaningless, even if you don't want to know that. My 3rd grader was not identified as GT in 2nd and still tested in to CES for next year in 4th.

So your kid didn’t test in, yet it’s meaningless? My kid will test in (based on the metrics they have identified) and I was hoping it would mean some additional attention or challenge as they are not currently meeting his needs at all. At least it would be a starting point to ask for more support.

My DC was tested in 2nd grade, and was not "identified." This year in 3rd grade, DC was tested and was invited to the CES. DC didnt become gifted between 2nd and 3rd grader, so the 2nd grade test didnt determine anything about the future. There is no "test in" because there's no program to test into from 2nd grade. As a teacher, in MCPS, I know that the designation in 2nd grade is meaningless and has NO impact on instruction in 3rd grade. When enrichment opportunities are there, nobody goes through the roster and looks for the results of the 2nd grade test in order to determine which students would benefit from it. This test is not a starting point--your DS's reading level and MAP score %ile are. If he is reading a calendar year or more above grade level and has extremely high MAP percentiles, that's what you can bring to the teachers and advocate for whatever enrichment is available. The 2nd grade test is meaningless in that it is not accurate (in my DC's experience) and the data are not used as a measure to alter instruction.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Not this year. And it is meaningless, even if you don't want to know that. My 3rd grader was not identified as GT in 2nd and still tested in to CES for next year in 4th.

So your kid didn’t test in, yet it’s meaningless? My kid will test in (based on the metrics they have identified) and I was hoping it would mean some additional attention or challenge as they are not currently meeting his needs at all. At least it would be a starting point to ask for more support.

I wouldn't hold out much hope that MCPS is going to do much, unless you are at a large ES with enough specialists who could provide some additional enrichment. Our DC had a separate, small reading group for about a semester in 2nd grade, but everything else was standard MCPS. The county is going to prioritize helping those who are behind for whatever reason (plenty of them) rather than those who are ahead (plenty of them, too). But unless the county has announced some sort of new program for kids who are given this designation in 2nd grade, it's completely meaningless as a practical matter. Focus on CES; that's definitely worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Not this year. And it is meaningless, even if you don't want to know that. My 3rd grader was not identified as GT in 2nd and still tested in to CES for next year in 4th.

How do you know they are not doing it this year? The cogat is only one metric. Presumably they are still making identification based on other criteria? Or has there been an announcement otherwise?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Not this year. And it is meaningless, even if you don't want to know that. My 3rd grader was not identified as GT in 2nd and still tested in to CES for next year in 4th.

So your kid didn’t test in, yet it’s meaningless? My kid will test in (based on the metrics they have identified) and I was hoping it would mean some additional attention or challenge as they are not currently meeting his needs at all. At least it would be a starting point to ask for more support.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Not this year. And it is meaningless, even if you don't want to know that. My 3rd grader was not identified as GT in 2nd and still tested in to CES for next year in 4th.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

LOL!

Anonymous wrote:GT identification in 2nd grade means absolutely nothing as a practical matter.

Whatever. Are they still identifying kids?

Anonymous wrote:For Cogat..do they give the cogat 3rd grade test or cogat screener?

Sorry, i meant "For 3rd grade, do they..."