Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

I totally wish this were true. But. My brother-in-law is one of those obnoxious atheists who challenges everybody in person. No need for atheist services: when he comes to my parties, he corners my friends and out of the blue, with no preliminaries whatsoever, asks them whether they believe in God. He publicly and totally nailed the one non-white person at one of my parties--she's Catholic--and it was toe-cringing. At another party he asked if we could go around the table and say whether we believed in anything.

I've met others like him. And I've heard about others like him.

Then there are the folks at work who drop the occasional, but mercifully short, sneer about religion.

I'm just trying to set PP's cozy little scenario straight, so please don't try to twist this into something about me having a victimhood complex. (And for the record, DCUM's atheists have a pretty big victimhood complex too.)

So because you brother in law is a complete ass who is an atheist, all athiests must be?

Why do you invite him to your parties?

Anonymous wrote:"A short sneer" isn't trying to covert someone.

Not unless my Aunt's "Praise Jesus" is also an attempt to convert..

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't.

But we care about what is true. So if the subject comes up, be prepared to hear our thoughts.

But nearly every atheist is happy to let you believe what you like as long as you don't choose legislation based on it.

Tell that to most ‘new converts’ to atheism. Nothing makes a zealot like a new convert.

Sure but people are not born with religion. It's a societal construct. Whether family/location you're born to will influence your first religious exposure. And some of course are born into non religious families, those are not converts. They just are.
And no, I don't want to convert you either. But I don't want my secular government policies set based on any religious adherence.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

I totally wish this were true. But. My brother-in-law is one of those obnoxious atheists who challenges everybody in person. No need for atheist services: when he comes to my parties, he corners my friends and out of the blue, with no preliminaries whatsoever, asks them whether they believe in God. He publicly and totally nailed the one non-white person at one of my parties--she's Catholic--and it was toe-cringing. At another party he asked if we could go around the table and say whether we believed in anything.

I've met others like him. And I've heard about others like him.

Then there are the folks at work who drop the occasional, but mercifully short, sneer about religion.

I'm just trying to set PP's cozy little scenario straight, so please don't try to twist this into something about me having a victimhood complex. (And for the record, DCUM's atheists have a pretty big victimhood complex too.)

Anonymous wrote:Really? Because you've run into some atheists who are trying to convert you, you assume that they all want to do that? You probably know a number of atheists who have never brought the subject up so you don't know they're atheists. Please don't judge the rest of atheists based on a few who are trying to convert you.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

I totally wish this were true. But. My brother-in-law is one of those obnoxious atheists who challenges everybody in person. No need for atheist services: when he comes to my parties, he corners my friends and out of the blue, with no preliminaries whatsoever, asks them whether they believe in God. He publicly and totally nailed the one non-white person at one of my parties--she's Catholic--and it was toe-cringing. At another party he asked if we could go around the table and say whether we believed in anything.

I've met others like him. And I've heard about others like him.

Then there are the folks at work who drop the occasional, but mercifully short, sneer about religion.

I'm just trying to set PP's cozy little scenario straight, so please don't try to twist this into something about me having a victimhood complex. (And for the record, DCUM's atheists have a pretty big victimhood complex too.)

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

Anonymous wrote:Well, I think--oh! there's the doorbell again! Oh! It's those goldarn atheists going door to door with their pamphlets again!

Nope, never happens. And when I have gone to their services I have not been squeezed into a corner to hear someone tell me that it's ok I was raised Lutheran, I can still get saved from my ignorance. Wait, they don't HAVE services (well, there are Unitarians who may be atheists, and there are some secular humanism organizations that have a weekly fellowship, but the worst I've ever dealt with at my own Unitarian church is the goofy lady in her 70's who believes in crop circles, I don't even bother to steer her right).

Now, if you mean the people who post on comment forums and whatever sneering about the magic old man in the sky, I find them annoying as well.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We don't.

But we care about what is true. So if the subject comes up, be prepared to hear our thoughts.

But nearly every atheist is happy to let you believe what you like as long as you don't choose legislation based on it.

Tell that to most ‘new converts’ to atheism. Nothing makes a zealot like a new convert.

Sure but people are not born with religion. It's a societal construct. Whether family/location you're born to will influence your first religious exposure. And some of course are born into non religious families, those are not converts. They just are.
And no, I don't want to convert you either. But I don't want my secular government policies set based on any religious adherence.