Class of 07 here, everyone wrote formulas on their graphing calculator. Were weren’t plagiarizing papers, and giving each other tests answers. Who cares if they don’t memorize all the formulas, knowing them won’t teach you how and when to use them.

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Anonymous wrote:Are they 1st gen Asian because cheating is acceptable in some cultures just like bribery is just part of life in some cultures.

This is a good point. DH is in academia, they have a bunch of Chinese exchange students. Every year the school starts the program with the 'ethics' training on how cheating is not allowed-- and every single year at least a couple of students get caught cheating! It's mind-boggling, it's like they can't help themselves!

Op implies strongly implies in the first post kids in question are white

Anonymous wrote:HS Junior in multiple group chats, mostly AP classes. Kids share hw and labs. I always tell him that he's not helping anyone by giving them answers (he's usually the one that shares). I'm sure he asks too, but he typically gets his work done before others.

In DD's AP classes, the teachers encourage collaboration on HW. HW is for learning; tests measure how much you've learned.

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Anonymous wrote:My son begged me to redshirt him and I said no. But most people I know are willing to cheat the system this way.

How is it cheating the system. The parental waiver is built into the law - at least in VA. The system is designed that way because sometimes kids are not ready. It’s actually really sad that your kid begged you to redshirt and you ignored him. You would have been well within your rights as a parent to do so.

But he was ready and he wanted to do it for sports.

It did help with college admissions but if he redshirted it would have been much easier.

A 5 year old was begging you to red-shirt him for sports? Really? How did a 5 year old even know this was a thing? I can't even figure out how it could be an older kid because then you'd have to repeat a grade, but I also can't imagine a 5 year old coming up with this request.

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Anonymous wrote:I wrote formulas on the back of my calculator in high school. Everyone did. Not sure that makes me a terrible person. I got through college just fine.

I wrote formulas on the back of my ruler in geometry. And yes, everyone else in class did the same.
OP, care to share some outlandish ways kids cheat these days? Like, quietly asking Alexa to solve trig equations for them?

How can you cheat with airpods? Do you just stay connected to someone on a call who feeds you information during the test? That would be distracting to me.

And why do teachers not ask for hoodies to be taken off and hair to be pulled back so they can see ears?

My son's calc teacher does a calculator check because cheating using graphing calculators was such a big thing.

Oh! I do remember one way I cheated in middle school that I thought was SO clever of me.

It was when having those eraser sticks were popular.

I wrote some answers along the edge of the eraser, put it back in and twisted it so it couldn't be seen. Then I'd twist it around during the test to see the answers.

I got way too scared of getting caught once I was in HS classes. I had several teachers who said if caught, they'd personally contact each college we applied to and let them know we'd been caught cheating. That was deterrent enough for me.

Anonymous wrote:Are they 1st gen Asian because cheating is acceptable in some cultures just like bribery is just part of life in some cultures.

This is a good point. DH is in academia, they have a bunch of Chinese exchange students. Every year the school starts the program with the 'ethics' training on how cheating is not allowed-- and every single year at least a couple of students get caught cheating! It's mind-boggling, it's like they can't help themselves!

I'm not at all surprised by the admission of the parents that their kids cheat and that they help them. Parents in this area are always thinking of new ways to brag about their kids!

I remember putting the formulas in my higher math classes in my graphing calculator. I always thought it was stupid we had to memorize those. If we knew how to use them, that was the most important part, IMO.

I remember my AP physics teacher drilling into us that we needed to memorize these formulas, blah, blah, blah. I never once had to memorize formulas in college. Every college math & science course I had provided a formulas sheet along with the test. It didn't matter if you had a sheet with 20 formulas if you didn't know which to use and how to use it. Again, the USE was the most important part.

I bet you everyone can rattle off A^2 + B^2 = C^2 but when do you use it? Most can't name that.

Anonymous wrote:I wrote formulas on the back of my calculator in high school. Everyone did. Not sure that makes me a terrible person. I got through college just fine.

I wrote formulas on the back of my ruler in geometry. And yes, everyone else in class did the same.
OP, care to share some outlandish ways kids cheat these days? Like, quietly asking Alexa to solve trig equations for them?

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Anonymous wrote:My son begged me to redshirt him and I said no. But most people I know are willing to cheat the system this way.

How is it cheating the system. The parental waiver is built into the law - at least in VA. The system is designed that way because sometimes kids are not ready. It’s actually really sad that your kid begged you to redshirt and you ignored him. You would have been well within your rights as a parent to do so.

+1 Way to hear and be supportive of your child mom

HS Junior in multiple group chats, mostly AP classes. Kids share hw and labs. I always tell him that he's not helping anyone by giving them answers (he's usually the one that shares). I'm sure he asks too, but he typically gets his work done before others.

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Anonymous wrote:My son begged me to redshirt him and I said no. But most people I know are willing to cheat the system this way.

How is it cheating the system. The parental waiver is built into the law - at least in VA. The system is designed that way because sometimes kids are not ready. It’s actually really sad that your kid begged you to redshirt and you ignored him. You would have been well within your rights as a parent to do so.

But he was ready and he wanted to do it for sports.

It did help with college admissions but if he redshirted it would have been much easier.

I always wrote formulas in my graphing calculator when I was in HS. I didn’t think it was a big deal honestly, you still have to know how to use and apply the formulas. Memorizing facts/formulas isn’t equivalent to really “learning” IMO.

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Anonymous wrote:Were the tactics the parents listed the same as the ones your kids named?

Some overlapped, yes.

Big ones seemed to be technology related. Using AirPods, putting the formulas in graphing calculators, and using Apple watches.

Some were things I remember kids doing when I was in school like writing formulas on the desk. There are some teachers who never change their tests so kids will sell their old tests.

We were always allowed one page if notes for higher level math classes, so never wrote formulas down anywhere else. I also let people copy my homework fairly regularly.

We would share homework answers in HS (AP kids). I would not cheat on tests though.