Anonymous wrote:Outside of the HYP issue, there is such a big difference between the Greatschool ratings in Potomac/Bethesda vs. NoVA. The former are uniformly 9s and 10s. Quite literally nothing below that. NoVA schools, other than Langley/McLean and some of their feeders, are all 5-7s. Even the AAP center schools like Louise Archer. I don’t understand why that is. Surely it can’t all be about “equity” since there are low income/ESL students in MoCo too?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

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What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

Since it seems you believe two different standard test can't be used to check the standards for FCPS and MCPS, how about looking at SAT avearge scores of FCPS of 1213 while MCPS ahas 1167? or FCPS ACT average of 29 while MCPS of 23.9?

There isn't a huge difference in SAT score, but what accounts for the difference in ACTs? Also there are many schools that aren't diverse that are 9s and 8s. Langley is a 9, but McLean and Woodson are 8s. There is not huge amounts of diversity at these schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

Since it seems you believe two different standard test can't be used to check the standards for FCPS and MCPS, how about looking at SAT avearge scores of FCPS of 1213 while MCPS ahas 1167? or FCPS ACT average of 29 while MCPS of 23.9?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

You cannot be that clueless, can you? Those academic test scores are VA SOL vs. MD PARCC. Two different tests, two different standards.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

ok typo with Math, FCPS has 83% science, 81% math, 93% history academic scores while MCPS has 69% science, 45% math in academic scores

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

So you are stating different states and different standards makes MCPS students graduate less on-time? How about academic test score wise where VA has 73% proficient while MD is 39% proficient in English or 77% match in VA while 36% in MD?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

The calculation should include all not just cherry picked numbers.
Virginia does not have better local schools, not at all. One could argue that there is only one great school in VA (TJ) and the fact that we are even having this discussion backs that up.

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

????????
What would that tell us? Different states, different standards.

Anonymous wrote:Outside of the HYP issue, there is such a big difference between the Greatschool ratings in Potomac/Bethesda vs. NoVA. The former are uniformly 9s and 10s. Quite literally nothing below that. NoVA schools, other than Langley/McLean and some of their feeders, are all 5-7s. Even the AAP center schools like Louise Archer. I don’t understand why that is. Surely it can’t all be about “equity” since there are low income/ESL students in MoCo too?

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

PP stated his calculation was based on top 8, your calculation includes all. However, the data provided are number of students graduated from HYPS not just the acceptance rate.
Although, it does provide good statistics and show that MCPS seems to have higher rate considering FCPS has 20k more students, in general Virginia has better local schools.
Another issue with the stats provided is that it only lists three schools. in both MCPS or FCPS, way more kids would of been accepted to those three but opts to attend another
such as Berkeley, Standford, Caltech (for engineering) which would not be included in this stats as it only counts for those who graduated from three school.
We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018).

We should also look at high-school graduation rate of MCPS 88.4% and FCPS 91.5 (2018)

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.

That's Incorrect.
FCPS 111, MCPS 109; even though FCPS has more students and less FARMS.
Overall MCPS has a higher rate and more schools with HYPS acceptance.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, but then why do more large public MCPS make the list than large FCPS schools? That was my question.

#1) TJ. The majority of FCPS kids who go to HYPS end up at TJ. So the concentration of upper SEC goes there. Essentially, TJ is like the combination of the top 3 schools combined.
#2) Even though it appears that MCPS has more schools with higher HYPS acceptance, FCPS actually sends more kids: 106 vs. 94 (based on public only, top 8 schools in each county). That is 12.7% difference, means that there is a higher overall rate..
#3) The list doesn't address the number of kids that end up going to HYPS- so you are seeing the number of schools vs. number of kids. But as TJ draws from all of the schools in the area, it's almost impossible to really guage where these kids would go and how it would effect HYPS acceptance.

Hope that helps.