Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 12:11     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community


PP here. You can call me names (not accurate, BTW), and maybe we should just agree to disagree. But the bottom line for me is that some of these charter schools, maybe KIPP most notably, are providing opportunities that have never been there before. They're literally changing these kids' lives. I have a hard time not supporting that.


What is KIPP doing that is really so different from Friendship Tech, Thurgood Marshall, and Latin? Are there really enough kids for all these schools? Remember, these are public funds that could have other uses.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 12:03     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community


PP here. You can call me names (not accurate, BTW), and maybe we should just agree to disagree. But the bottom line for me is that some of these charter schools, maybe KIPP most notably, are providing opportunities that have never been there before. They're literally changing these kids' lives. I have a hard time not supporting that.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:57     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.


DCPS has improved significantly at the elementary and middle school level in the past 25 years and I believe those gains will filter up, along with the one-star money and Connected Schols program.

DCPS cannot close Anacostia and Ballou unless the kids have somewhere to go. Are the charters volunteering to take all those kids, all grades, all special needs, any day of the year? I doubt it. They would have a much harder time claiming to be "successful" if they had to do the work DCPS does.

There are plenty of failing charters the PCSB could focus on improving, rather than letting them malinger for 5 years at a time and then disrupting all the kids with closure.


HS students in Ward 7 are largely leaving their Ward for both Charters and other DCPS options. In Ward 8 there is less movement out of the ward, but strong demand for both DCPS and charter HS. https://dme.dc.gov/node/1257681

At KIPP College Prep, KIPP's only only high school, 24% have special needs. That is well above the average for charters, and on par with Ballou (26%). Anacostia has the most of the 3 with 35%. However both Anacostia and Ballou house DCPS-city wide self-contained classrooms, which skews the numbers a bit as some of those students likely live OOB.

Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:56     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.


DCPS has improved significantly at the elementary and middle school level in the past 25 years and I believe those gains will filter up, along with the one-star money and Connected Schols program.

DCPS cannot close Anacostia and Ballou unless the kids have somewhere to go. Are the charters volunteering to take all those kids, all grades, all special needs, any day of the year? I doubt it. They would have a much harder time claiming to be "successful" if they had to do the work DCPS does.

There are plenty of failing charters the PCSB could focus on improving, rather than letting them malinger for 5 years at a time and then disrupting all the kids with closure.


I absolutely think they should close failing charters. KIPP does not have any failing charters. And, yes, KIPP is volunteering to take ALL of the kids who currently go to Anacostia and Ballou... if they apply to KIPP through the lottery. Yes, you need backup schools for kids that don't want KIPP or that it doesn't work for, but actually eliminating one of Anacostia and Ballou is absolutely a goal.


"Doesn't work out" meaning that KIPP pushes them out for being difficult to deal with, putting the hard work on DCPS instead. Sorry but everyonr has the right to an education within a reasonable commute so you need both schools. Try to merge them and you run into neighborhood rivalry violence.

Taking all kids through the lottery is not the same thing at all. It is much, much easier. A cop-out to pretend it is the same thing.


I'm not saying it's the *same* thing, but I think you're over differentiating the populations. KIPP's push out rates aren't that much different than many other schools'. It's not like Anacostia and Ballou aren't actually pushing out WAY more kids... They just push out by doing nothing when the kid has attendance rates hovering around 25%. ACTUALLY. Ballou and Anacostia are only a 15 minute drive apart w/ Thurgood Marshall in between. The extra commute for any kid if one of Ballou or Anacostia closed (Anacostia likely, since it has less than half as many kids) would be totally within reason for high school students in my mind.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:50     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.


DCPS has improved significantly at the elementary and middle school level in the past 25 years and I believe those gains will filter up, along with the one-star money and Connected Schols program.

DCPS cannot close Anacostia and Ballou unless the kids have somewhere to go. Are the charters volunteering to take all those kids, all grades, all special needs, any day of the year? I doubt it. They would have a much harder time claiming to be "successful" if they had to do the work DCPS does.

There are plenty of failing charters the PCSB could focus on improving, rather than letting them malinger for 5 years at a time and then disrupting all the kids with closure.


I absolutely think they should close failing charters. KIPP does not have any failing charters. And, yes, KIPP is volunteering to take ALL of the kids who currently go to Anacostia and Ballou... if they apply to KIPP through the lottery. Yes, you need backup schools for kids that don't want KIPP or that it doesn't work for, but actually eliminating one of Anacostia and Ballou is absolutely a goal.


"Doesn't work out" meaning that KIPP pushes them out for being difficult to deal with, putting the hard work on DCPS instead. Sorry but everyonr has the right to an education within a reasonable commute so you need both schools. Try to merge them and you run into neighborhood rivalry violence.

Taking all kids through the lottery is not the same thing at all. It is much, much easier. A cop-out to pretend it is the same thing.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:47     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.


DCPS has improved significantly at the elementary and middle school level in the past 25 years and I believe those gains will filter up, along with the one-star money and Connected Schols program.

DCPS cannot close Anacostia and Ballou unless the kids have somewhere to go. Are the charters volunteering to take all those kids, all grades, all special needs, any day of the year? I doubt it. They would have a much harder time claiming to be "successful" if they had to do the work DCPS does.

There are plenty of failing charters the PCSB could focus on improving, rather than letting them malinger for 5 years at a time and then disrupting all the kids with closure.


I absolutely think they should close failing charters. KIPP does not have any failing charters. And, yes, KIPP is volunteering to take ALL of the kids who currently go to Anacostia and Ballou... if they apply to KIPP through the lottery. Yes, you need backup schools for kids that don't want KIPP or that it doesn't work for, but actually eliminating one of Anacostia and Ballou is absolutely a goal.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:43     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.


DCPS has improved significantly at the elementary and middle school level in the past 25 years and I believe those gains will filter up, along with the one-star money and Connected Schols program.

DCPS cannot close Anacostia and Ballou unless the kids have somewhere to go. Are the charters volunteering to take all those kids, all grades, all special needs, any day of the year? I doubt it. They would have a much harder time claiming to be "successful" if they had to do the work DCPS does.

There are plenty of failing charters the PCSB could focus on improving, rather than letting them malinger for 5 years at a time and then disrupting all the kids with closure.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:41     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
case study in dumb white liberals thinking they know what is best for the black community
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:33     Subject: Re:KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote: Because we should be fixing the schools that we already have, rather than undermining them with new openings.


What in the recent (~25 year) history of DCPS makes you think that they can magically "fix" these schools?

Anonymous wrote: Because it is a waste of money to operate so many half-empty schools.


Then close the failing DCPS schools and redirect the funds to better support students. Propping up failing, under-enrolled schools is not a strategy.

Anonymous wrote: Because EOTR is already getting Bard and Latin II.


Hooray! It's about time Wards 7 & 8 get the top-performing schools they deserve. We should be celebrating this and celebrating KIPP taking Ferebee-Hope.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:28     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Latin has refused to open next year because they "can't find a building" (read: they are testing to see if they're really going to be forced to open EOTR). Bard and KIPP basically couldn't be differently focused. KIPP isn't my cup of tee, but they unquestionably get the best results consistently for families EOTR and the demand is there... so who am I to tell them that they should prefer the social emotional fluffy rainbows focused education I want for my UMC high-achieving kid with zero of the challenges their kids routine face?


Yes. for all that I roll my eyes at the idea that "choice" will save us all ... if there is demand for KIPP, then it's totally appropriate that they build another school.


Is there really enough demand, though? If everyone who wants to attens Thurgood Marshall and Friendship Tech is getting in and the results are okay, can the expense of another school be justified? That money could be put to better use.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:21     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Anonymous wrote:Latin has refused to open next year because they "can't find a building" (read: they are testing to see if they're really going to be forced to open EOTR). Bard and KIPP basically couldn't be differently focused. KIPP isn't my cup of tee, but they unquestionably get the best results consistently for families EOTR and the demand is there... so who am I to tell them that they should prefer the social emotional fluffy rainbows focused education I want for my UMC high-achieving kid with zero of the challenges their kids routine face?


Yes. for all that I roll my eyes at the idea that "choice" will save us all ... if there is demand for KIPP, then it's totally appropriate that they build another school.
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:20     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
* couldn't be MORE differently focused ^^
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:20     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Latin has refused to open next year because they "can't find a building" (read: they are testing to see if they're really going to be forced to open EOTR). Bard and KIPP basically couldn't be differently focused. KIPP isn't my cup of tee, but they unquestionably get the best results consistently for families EOTR and the demand is there... so who am I to tell them that they should prefer the social emotional fluffy rainbows focused education I want for my UMC high-achieving kid with zero of the challenges their kids routine face?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:17     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Soooo many of the charters EOTR are low performing and malinger for years before closing. Maybe the PCSB should look into why and fix the schools it has before opening new ones. If performance is low, the charter sector owns the problem, as they're educating half of the kids.

A new high school will cost about $8 million a year when fully enrolled. What could that money accomplish if it were used to improve existing schools?
Anonymous
Post 10/10/2019 11:12     Subject: KIPP is going to get another DCPS school. Where is the outrage?
Ok that is just false. Thurgood Marshall had two kids on the 9th grade waitlist this year and made 4 offers. Friendship Tech had one kid on the waitlist for 9th and made an offer. So really, the new Latin and Bard should amply accomodate those three briefly waitlisted children, no?