Anonymous
10/07/2019 09:23
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:She had been in the U.K. for only three weeks. She was likely driving an American car as it was a military base and turned into the wrong lane. She probably left bc she was advised to and likely couldn’t refuse as she probably is not “just the wife of a diplomat” considering how she has almost no social media presence and the nature of the base. She won’t be returned to the U.K. for a trial and likely won’t have a trial or anything in the US.
I have lived in the UK and in NZ where people drive on the other side and while I became quite adept at it, there were still a few instances when I simply turned into the wrong way without thinking about it, always when leaving a parking lot. Thankfully it never resulted in an accident. It also made me very careful about driving on the other side.
Anonymous
10/07/2019 09:20
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
One of our diplomatic neighbors almost drove head on into a Metro bus because they assumed they were in the right, driving on the right hand side of the road with a whole care full of kids. Not everyone is able to remember to drive on the correct side of the road, if they move to another country. I reported her, because it wasn't the first time.
The diplo spouse had only been there for a few weeks. Seems plausible that she got confused.
Americans should not be allowed to drive in the UK period. Plenty of public transport options.
Anonymous
10/07/2019 06:46
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
She's been identified as: Anne Sacoolas
Anonymous
10/07/2019 06:43
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
One of our diplomatic neighbors almost drove head on into a Metro bus because they assumed they were in the right, driving on the right hand side of the road with a whole care full of kids. Not everyone is able to remember to drive on the correct side of the road, if they move to another country. I reported her, because it wasn't the first time.
The diplo spouse had only been there for a few weeks. Seems plausible that she got confused.
Anonymous
10/07/2019 06:38
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
She had been in the U.K. for only three weeks. She was likely driving an American car as it was a military base and turned into the wrong lane. She probably left bc she was advised to and likely couldn’t refuse as she probably is not “just the wife of a diplomat” considering how she has almost no social media presence and the nature of the base. She won’t be returned to the U.K. for a trial and likely won’t have a trial or anything in the US.
Anonymous
10/06/2019 12:01
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
In all likelihood she's a U.S. spy who happens to be the diplomat's wife.
Anonymous
10/06/2019 10:53
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
I'm still shocked by the Teo case and I don't think that DI should be still extended to Marine guards under those circumstances.
Anonymous
10/06/2019 09:35
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Well, my neighbor didn't "quickly" learn, unless you consider a month to be "quickly."
Anonymous
10/06/2019 08:00
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
One of our diplomatic neighbors almost drove head on into a Metro bus because they assumed they were in the right, driving on the right hand side of the road with a whole care full of kids. Not everyone is able to remember to drive on the correct side of the road, if they move to another country. I reported her, because it wasn't the first time.
You quickly learn to drive on the side of the road that is customary in the land
It is not a question of remembering
1st of all the steering wheel is on the other side of the car
Anonymous
10/05/2019 23:29
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
WTF. Are you defending the American driver?
Anonymous
10/05/2019 23:28
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:They likely came back to DC. Unfortunately, her actions effectively put an end to her spouse’s career. She/he will spend the rest of their career riding a desk at Langley, instead of living the ex-pat spy life.
Something similar happened when we were posted to Romania. Marine killed beloved Romanian pop star, was on a plane to U.S. out of there under diplomatic immunity. Romanian populace outraged. Marine was drunk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teo_Peter
Anonymous
10/05/2019 22:35
Subject: Re:Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
jsteele wrote:When a Georgian diplomat killed a woman in a car accident at Dupont Circle, Georgia waived immunity. The diplomat was tried, found guilty, and went to jail. The US should have similarly waived immunity.
+1
Anonymous
10/05/2019 20:46
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
One of our diplomatic neighbors almost drove head on into a Metro bus because they assumed they were in the right, driving on the right hand side of the road with a whole care full of kids. Not everyone is able to remember to drive on the correct side of the road, if they move to another country. I reported her, because it wasn't the first time.
Thank you.
Anonymous
10/05/2019 18:03
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Accidents aren’t murder, but she needs to answer for this.
We don’t know, do we? It could have been a freak accident, running a red light, speeding, DUI or actual heat of passion murder. Without an investigation, there is no way to know.
It’s pretty obvious that she was a dumb American who forgot that Brits drive on the left side of the road. She turned out of the military base, drove in the right lane going the wrong direction, and hit the poor kid on a motorbike in a head on collision.
You do not know that. FWIW, if she has been living in Great Britain, she likely was quite competent driving on the left hand side of the road. I've lived in Japan and it is amazing how quickly you learn to drive on the left.
And, in Japan, if an American is involved in an accident, the American is almost always held responsible. At least, it was that way a while ago. I had a friend who was in a cab involved in an accident, and the cabbie told her to leave or she would be held responsible--even though she was his passenger. The rules may have change now--at least i hope so.
One of our diplomatic neighbors almost drove head on into a Metro bus because they assumed they were in the right, driving on the right hand side of the road with a whole care full of kids. Not everyone is able to remember to drive on the correct side of the road, if they move to another country. I reported her, because it wasn't the first time.
Anonymous
10/05/2019 13:32
Subject: Foreigner who killed teen in car crash flees the country to evade justice
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They likely came back to DC. Unfortunately, her actions effectively put an end to her spouse’s career. She/he will spend the rest of their career riding a desk at Langley, instead of living the ex-pat spy life.
That's still a cushy job. Knowing how the gov’t works though, nothing will happen to the husband.
Not sure why anything should happen to the husband if he wasn't there/there isn't any indication he was at fault.
Our relationship with the UK is very strong in general. I think the family would have been better off to let this play out diplomatically. Now it's likely they hit a complete brick wall.