Anonymous wrote:They say there are about 12 million illegal immigrants in this country. But if you ask a Native American, that number is more like 300 million.

David Letterman

Can’t do something illegal if there was no existing law to break. Europe civilized what would become the USA through conquest, because that’s what was done at the time.

Having a heartbreaking story is not justification for open borders. If you talk to families of violent convicts, I'm sure they will similarly have heartbreaking stories.

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Anonymous wrote:I watched the series this weekend, it was heartbreaking! What I didn't know about was the 1997 Clinton law that if you came to this country on a tourist visa but then worked illegally and then met an American citizen and fell in love and married (so not a sham marriage) you could still not become a citizen via your spouse - your earlier crime bars you forever!

The zero tolerance policy makes it feel like a police state and is so anti-American.

He didn’t come on a tourist visa. Back when he came from Mexico in the 1990s, a passport wasn’t even required as a form of ID. A birth certificate would suffice. This didn’t apply to all countries but it did apply to Mexico at the time. This is no longer the case. He probably used the birth certificate of a US citizen. The law passed by the Clinton administration has a lifelong ban on anyone who falsely claims to be a US citizen, which is probably why he is banned. I don’t this is right because it happened when he was 14 and he was clearly just doing what some adult family member told him to do.

On the positive side, he has a very wonderful husband. And I’d say Toronto is a huge upgrade from Milwaukee.

I don’t understand his story. From the article linked in another post “He flew into the U.S., Thom explained, which means that he was likely required to provide some sort of paperwork. And because he might have lied about being a legal citizen, he is now permanently barred from ever being given citizenship.”

How would Fernandez not know what he said? Also, to your point that you only needed a birth certificate to go back and forth to Mexico and the US, how do they know Fernandez didn’t fly in and say he was a tourist and present his birth certificate.

And on another note, I wonder how accurate our immigration records really are from the 1990s.

Anonymous wrote:It made me cringe, at times. The Israeli family, very clearly, could have remained in their country, and been just fine. The family from Columbia, the Dunoyer parents, seemed to have a terrible, entitled attitude that they deserve to be here more than others.

Agreed. I hope they get deported.

So far the only family I felt for was Kenia and Luis

Anonymous wrote:The stories are truly heartbreaking, and I want everyone portrayed in the series to be able to stay. However, the series really points out how flawed the immigration system is when reading about what happened afterwards.

While watching the story about Luis, Kenia, and Noah I kept thinking about Noah's biological father and if he had any say in his son being taken out of Honduras. He has what I would assume to be a stable job in Honduras in the military. Then, while Kenia and Noah are deported they immediately return and claim asulym. Kenia has her baby in the US, so her medical bills were covered and the baby is now a US citizen. This is why so many people are upset and vote for Trump. She had her day in court and was deported. Yet she easily came back, entered the country, and had a baby here.

I don't buy the "medical bills were covered (by US citizens)" argument. How many billions of dollars are spent to operate the processing and deporting of many harmless people? What about those expensive costs, that could be used for many other beneficial needs?

And those children are no less worthy citizens than you and I, just by our good fortune of being born here. You didn't do anything special - and neither did I.

I am aware that we as a country cannot house every person wanting to come - it's unsustainable and unrealistic. But don't pretend to be concerned under the BS guise of a financial burden to citizens. The fact is, we citizens benefit tremendously by cheap (illegal/undocumented) labor. It saves us a lot of money.

If you (and Trump voters) were really truly concerned, they'd be going after the wealthy businessmen who employ cheap undocumented labor, and prosecuting/fining them in a very big way - which would include Trump himself.

It's a lot like going after women who prostitute, but not the pimps or the men who drive the business. Going after the desperate is just illogical.

It made me cringe, at times. The Israeli family, very clearly, could have remained in their country, and been just fine. The family from Columbia, the Dunoyer parents, seemed to have a terrible, entitled attitude that they deserve to be here more than others.

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Anonymous wrote:Chris Rock said:

"A lot of white people scream they American as if they got something to do with the country being the way it is. Like they was on the Mayflower or some shit. When you break it down, there ain’t even that many Americans in this room, contributing Americans. Check this out. If you a veteran, if you fought in any war for the United States, you are American. God bless all the veterans. Big up to the veterans. I can’t say nothing wrong about the veterans. OK? You American. Now if you swam here from some shitty country that didn’t allow you Bubblicious, you too are American cos you overcame obstacles and made sacrifices to actually get here. You are a true American, OK? You really are. Don’t let nobody tell you no different. Everybody else, you’re just lucky. You’re just lucky. All you crazy white people, “I’m American!” All you did was come out of your mother’s pussy on American soil. That’s it. You think you’re better than somebody from France cos you came out of a pussy in Detroit?"

Are French people better than someone born in Detroit? This argues that they are, because they should be able to come live in the US, despite not being born here. The person born in Detroit, on the other hand, has no right to live in France, because they came out of pussy in the U.S.

Why is it only bad when the U.S. enforces its borders?

It should also be mentioned that France doesn’t have birthright citizenship, so having a baby there wouldn’t make your child a citizen. Only about 30 countries have birthright citizenship and almost all are in the Americas.
https://www.businessinsider.com/countries-that-recognize-birthright-citizenship-jus-soli-2018-10

Here’s an article on what happened a year later.

https://heavy.com/entertainment/2019/10/living-undocumented-where-now-2019/

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this yet? I saw the first two episodes last night and it was heartbreaking, particularly the story of the Marine wife who had been here for 20 years. The ICE drop off also left me speechless. I teared up a few times, perhaps due to pregnancy hormones.

I have not seen this
But if you have been here for 20 years and still not sorted out immigration, something is wrong

This seems to be a disconnect in a lot of people's minds. (i.e. they should all come here legally). NEWS FLASH - there is no legal option for most of these people. Unless you have a spouse or child in this country who can file an immigration petition these people have no options.

-Cuban American immigrant who is now an immigration attorney

The reason why the wife of the Marine was deported is because she lied to immigration officers when she first tried to enter the country stating she was a citizen when she was not. She was caught and barred from entering the country. She then entered the same way lying to immigration that she was a citizen, but the second time she was successful. She was most likely caught because she was driving in Florida without a drivers license since undocumented people can't get drivers licences. If she hadn't been caught the first time she had a very good chance of getting a green card when she married her husband, the Marine. So she would have had a legal option.

She was 15 years old.

Her story was incredibly sad. I found it the most compelling of any of the stories. She was 18 when she entered the US though.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2019/08/12/veteran-fights-to-reunite-family-after-wife-deported-to-mexico-1-year-ago

Anonymous wrote:I watched the series this weekend, it was heartbreaking! What I didn't know about was the 1997 Clinton law that if you came to this country on a tourist visa but then worked illegally and then met an American citizen and fell in love and married (so not a sham marriage) you could still not become a citizen via your spouse - your earlier crime bars you forever!

The zero tolerance policy makes it feel like a police state and is so anti-American.

He didn’t come on a tourist visa. Back when he came from Mexico in the 1990s, a passport wasn’t even required as a form of ID. A birth certificate would suffice. This didn’t apply to all countries but it did apply to Mexico at the time. This is no longer the case. He probably used the birth certificate of a US citizen. The law passed by the Clinton administration has a lifelong ban on anyone who falsely claims to be a US citizen, which is probably why he is banned. I don’t this is right because it happened when he was 14 and he was clearly just doing what some adult family member told him to do.

On the positive side, he has a very wonderful husband. And I’d say Toronto is a huge upgrade from Milwaukee.

I watched the series this weekend, it was heartbreaking! What I didn't know about was the 1997 Clinton law that if you came to this country on a tourist visa but then worked illegally and then met an American citizen and fell in love and married (so not a sham marriage) you could still not become a citizen via your spouse - your earlier crime bars you forever!

The zero tolerance policy makes it feel like a police state and is so anti-American.

Anonymous wrote:The stories are truly heartbreaking, and I want everyone portrayed in the series to be able to stay. However, the series really points out how flawed the immigration system is when reading about what happened afterwards.

While watching the story about Luis, Kenia, and Noah I kept thinking about Noah's biological father and if he had any say in his son being taken out of Honduras. He has what I would assume to be a stable job in Honduras in the military. Then, while Kenia and Noah are deported they immediately return and claim asulym. Kenia has her baby in the US, so her medical bills were covered and the baby is now a US citizen. This is why so many people are upset and vote for Trump. She had her day in court and was deported. Yet she easily came back, entered the country, and had a baby here.

Guess you missed the part about her ex husband being a cop who viciously beat her and tried to kill her. And the bsaby was Luis', not the estranged corrupt husband.

And nothing is easy about how she came back. Nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this yet? I saw the first two episodes last night and it was heartbreaking, particularly the story of the Marine wife who had been here for 20 years. The ICE drop off also left me speechless. I teared up a few times, perhaps due to pregnancy hormones.

I have not seen this
But if you have been here for 20 years and still not sorted out immigration, something is wrong

This seems to be a disconnect in a lot of people's minds. (i.e. they should all come here legally). NEWS FLASH - there is no legal option for most of these people. Unless you have a spouse or child in this country who can file an immigration petition these people have no options.

-Cuban American immigrant who is now an immigration attorney

The reason why the wife of the Marine was deported is because she lied to immigration officers when she first tried to enter the country stating she was a citizen when she was not. She was caught and barred from entering the country. She then entered the same way lying to immigration that she was a citizen, but the second time she was successful. She was most likely caught because she was driving in Florida without a drivers license since undocumented people can't get drivers licences. If she hadn't been caught the first time she had a very good chance of getting a green card when she married her husband, the Marine. So she would have had a legal option.

She was 15 years old.

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone watched this yet? I saw the first two episodes last night and it was heartbreaking, particularly the story of the Marine wife who had been here for 20 years. The ICE drop off also left me speechless. I teared up a few times, perhaps due to pregnancy hormones.

+1000

The story of Kenia anf Noah traveling a top a train at 36 weeks pregs... i teared up

Oops sorry scratch that, I thought I was on political forum.