Anonymous
09/24/2019 10:24
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
It sounds like the rule was applied properly, the defender fouled the attacker and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Did the foul happen inside the penalty area?
I love it when people clearly don't bother to read the thread before replying.
PP here, I read the thread. I didn’t see anything from the OP specifying where the foul occurred.
Really?
"Ref awarded penalty kick"
Anonymous
09/23/2019 18:37
Subject: Re:New rule this year??
As I see it, if the attacker is on a break away with no defenders between him and the keeper and a defender comes from behind and takes him out, almost 100% of the time I will call a foul. If outside the box, red card and direct free kick. If inside the box, yellow card and PK. There is no yellow car and a direct kick from outside the box. It's red! If inside the box, it's yellow and a PK. It's DOGSO. You should know this at U11. I even warn kids at check in to be very careful about tackling from behind and what the consequences can be.
Anonymous
09/23/2019 17:55
Subject: New rule this year??
It could also be due to dangerous play. Studs up tackles, two feet off the ground. Tackles from behind that are reckless. Those can be straight red cards regardless of goal scoring opportunity or even whether the player actually touched the ball first.
Anonymous
09/23/2019 17:49
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
You're not disagreeing with the application of the rule, you're disagreeing with the ref's interpretation of events. It's a judgment call by the ref whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
"Kid on defense chases down another player on a breakaway and supposedly fouls him although from my view it seemed they were both going for the ball."
So the attacking player was on a break away. The defender chased him down from behind and took the attacking player out. Yes card. The playing the ball really does not matter as much as you think it does. The discretion on card color is intent. The red card was most likely for a dangerous play. You can get all ball still get a card.
You have to work really hard to get a yellow at u11. A red card at u11 is even harder to get. You are not telling us the whole story. Refs remember dangerous players, refs talk to other refs. They will start to watch for your kid. Also other players remember these type of players and will go after them.
Anonymous
09/23/2019 17:37
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
It sounds like the rule was applied properly, the defender fouled the attacker and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Did the foul happen inside the penalty area?
I love it when people clearly don't bother to read the thread before replying.
PP here, I read the thread. I didn’t see anything from the OP specifying where the foul occurred.
Anonymous
09/23/2019 15:46
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
It sounds like the rule was applied properly, the defender fouled the attacker and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Did the foul happen inside the penalty area?
I love it when people clearly don't bother to read the thread before replying.
Anonymous
09/23/2019 13:24
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
You're not disagreeing with the application of the rule, you're disagreeing with the ref's interpretation of events. It's a judgment call by the ref whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
"Kid on defense chases down another player on a breakaway and supposedly fouls him although from my view it seemed they were both going for the ball."
Anonymous
09/23/2019 13:20
Subject: New rule this year??
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is there any mechanism for a parent to ask NCSL to look at whether the red card was appropriate?
It's entirely a judgment call, not application of the rules. It's the ref's judgment whether the offensive player had an obvious goal-scoring opportunity, and it's the ref's judgment whether the defender was attempting to play the ball.
If the ref had misapplied a rule -- say, awarding an indirect free kick for a handball -- you might have a case.
I think what you're really questioning is whether this rule is too harsh for U11. Well, it's the rule that everyone agreed to, it's not fair to the other team not to apply it. If your child wants to continue he needs to learn that under the rules of soccer, fouls in the penalty area are treated harshly, and fouling on a goal-scoring opportunity is treated harshly. The lesson is to play carefully in those situations.
But it is a misapplied rule. Per Fifa rules, it's a caution not an expulsion. Expulsion is only warranted if the ref deemed the player wasn't going for the ball.
That said, I agree, NCSL isn't going to change anything. They may even add a suspension or 2 for complaining.
It sounds like the rule was applied properly, the defender fouled the attacker and denied an obvious goal scoring opportunity. Did the foul happen inside the penalty area?