Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

That was my DS that ran the 2 minute mile . How dare you question it.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Unless you are dirt poor to a point you don't have access to the Internet in any way shape or form, you do have access to enrichment. There are so many free sources of enrichment at the tip of your fingers. My kids have never done any formal paid enrichment. Kids can even use the library to access the Internet so that they can use these FREE resources.

How are they getting to the library when mom and dad work two jobs to make ends meet. Who is going to encourage them to use the “family laptop” to do enrichment instead of video games. I enrich my kids for free too but at least I don’t pretend that all kids have access to the same enrichment as my kids.

I don't think it's that amazingly difficult to get enrichment. There are just so many ways.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

For some reason, I don't think those children's parents are the ones feeling bad about the MAP scores. I think the ones who are complaining are most likely in the same social demographic groups as those who like to share the scores.

Anonymous wrote:Calm down.

The score flashes onto the screen, and if you miss it, you need to ask the teacher. Students don't know each other's scores, and don't ask each other - at least, that's how it's been for all of my children in all their elementary, middle and high schools. In the early grades, most kids don't even realize it's their score popping up on the screen!

Separately, I have no problem rewarding the highest score, although kids might not want to be singled out that way, so perhaps it's best not to do that.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Unless you are dirt poor to a point you don't have access to the Internet in any way shape or form, you do have access to enrichment. There are so many free sources of enrichment at the tip of your fingers. My kids have never done any formal paid enrichment. Kids can even use the library to access the Internet so that they can use these FREE resources.

How are they getting to the library when mom and dad work two jobs to make ends meet. Who is going to encourage them to use the “family laptop” to do enrichment instead of video games. I enrich my kids for free too but at least I don’t pretend that all kids have access to the same enrichment as my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Also, I think you are talking about the one-off, where someone is so poor they don't have access to a computer at all. Most parents I know at our school have cell phones. Most parents I know have at least laptop at home that they can share with their kids if the kid likes to access resources. The library is also free for all to use. If the library is not available, there are online library of free books that kids can access to read. Kids can also borrow books from their school library.

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Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Unless you are dirt poor to a point you don't have access to the Internet in any way shape or form, you do have access to enrichment. There are so many free sources of enrichment at the tip of your fingers. My kids have never done any formal paid enrichment. Kids can even use the library to access the Internet so that they can use these FREE resources.

Anonymous wrote:I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

The difficulty with this is some children have no access to enrichment. Their peers adjust expectations for each other (as do teachers) based on these 3x yearly scores. Expectations are often self proving. So, seems unfair to have a system that is effectively a public ranking of quite young children.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with you, OP, that elementary school is too young to be comparing oneself with others on a test they couldn't study for. That being said, my middle schooler loved seeing how highly she scored compared to the others. If she had had a low score, she probably would have been mortified.

I cant roll my eyes at this hard enough.

My kid said there was a list and if they missed it on the screen they could look at the list (and of course they looked at others' scores as well). Not cool.

I see no issues with sharing scores, if that is what the kids want. Kids share all sorts of achievements and it's about time kids can take some pride in their scores. Children who make it to elite travel soccer teams didn't get there by kicking around in their backyard. Their parents "enriched them". If kids got high MAP-M scores because they got enrichment, I'm okay with them taking pride in that too. (FWIW, it's much harder to do well on MAP-R than MAP-M)

Last week, DS told me a kid at his school ran a 2-minute mile, and DS was so impress. Kids can make up all sorts of stuff, so you can always tell your kid that if Larlo said he got a 720 on his MAP-M, perhaps he is not so good with his numbers so take what kids say with a grain of salt.

I agree with you, OP, that elementary school is too young to be comparing oneself with others on a test they couldn't study for. That being said, my middle schooler loved seeing how highly she scored compared to the others. If she had had a low score, she probably would have been mortified.

I agree with OP, my son got his score and asked me if it was good. I told him it was just fine (I really don’t know what the percentile would be anyways). He also told me one of his classmates got a 249 in math (4th grade) and my son was disappointed in not getting that high bc math is his thing. I told him everyone has strengths and weakness and you can’t judge a fish by its ability to climb trees.
I just feel elementary and middle school is too young to be comparing scores with other kids. Some kids make up scores to make others feel bad, and some are embarrassed by their scores. This is a MAP score, it measures how much you know about math and reading and this score can be easily manipulated by enrichment. It doesn’t need to be shared with the children.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here -- Since 2nd or 3rd grade, my kids and their classmates have been highly aware that the score pops up and all talk about it and ask each other. I'm calm just feeling this isn't necessary or healthy. None of us found out the scores of our standardized tests.

When and where did you go to school? We absolutely got our scores for standardized tests.

Honestly, OP, I agree that you need to calm down. If you don't want your kid to share her score, then just tell her to keep it to herself. If you don't want her to know other kids' scores, tell her not to ask them. And, if she hears other kids' scores, tell her not to compare herself to them.

It is really not that hard, and really not an issue.

Good lesson that you can't control other people's behavior, but you can control your own.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here -- Since 2nd or 3rd grade, my kids and their classmates have been highly aware that the score pops up and all talk about it and ask each other. I'm calm just feeling this isn't necessary or healthy. None of us found out the scores of our standardized tests.

When and where did you go to school? We absolutely got our scores for standardized tests.

Honestly, OP, I agree that you need to calm down. If you don't want your kid to share her score, then just tell her to keep it to herself. If you don't want her to know other kids' scores, tell her not to ask them. And, if she hears other kids' scores, tell her not to compare herself to them.

It is really not that hard, and really not an issue.

Good lesson that you can't control other people's behavior, but you can control your own.