Anonymous wrote:The two asinine placements that stick out:

Stanford at #7 - easily #1b if not 1a to most teens

Norte Dame in the 30s - obvious anti-Catholic bias, ND is the Catholic Ivy, students live in dorms all 4 years, no Greek life, just a wonderful pure college with overachieving service-minded kids

Notre Dame was #26 last year. What hurts it is its "environment" ranking of >400 (basically lack of diversity). But its "outcome" ranking of 39 (graduation rate, salary, etc.), "resources" ranking of 31 (faculty per student, etc.), and "environment" ranking of 4 (how happy students are), pushes it up to its ranking of 32. It's no surprise about the environment ranking as it is a Catholic university which attracts a particular population. That said, it holds its own because of its excellent academic reputation and other factors.

Interestingly, you can rank the schools on any one of these elements.

Below is the WSJ Methodology:

Methodology
The overall methodology explores four key areas:

Resources
Does the college have the capacity to effectively deliver teaching? The Resources area represents 30 per cent of the overall ranking. Within this we look at:
*Finance per student (11%)
*Faculty per student (11%)
*Research papers per faculty (8%)

Engagement
Does the college effectively engage with its students? Most of the data in this area are gathered through the THE US Student Survey. The Engagement area represents 20 per cent of the overall ranking. Within this we look at:
*Student engagement (7%)
*Student recommendation (6%)
*Interaction with teachers and students (4%)
*Number of accredited programmes (3%)

Outcomes
Does the college generate good and appropriate outputs? Does it add value to the students who attend? The Outcomes area represents 40 per cent of the overall ranking. Within this we look at:
*Graduation rate (11%)
*Value added to graduate salary (12%)
*Debt after graduation (7%)
*Academic reputation (10%)

Environment
Is the college providing a good learning environment for all students? Does it make efforts to attract a diverse student body and faculty? The Environment area represents 10 per cent of the overall ranking. Within this we look at:
*Proportion of international students (2%)
*Student diversity (3%)
*Student inclusion (2%)
*Staff diversity (3%)

Anonymous wrote:UVA - #50 - Number 10 Public University
William & Mary - #79
University of MD CP #75
VA Tech #105

Michigan #27

Anonymous wrote:UVA - #50 - Number 10 Public University
William & Mary - #79
University of MD CP #75
VA Tech #105

Dumb that they don't include foreign universities.

We subscribe to the WSJ and our kids will include them in their research.

Y’all really need to get lives. UVA is a good school. There are other good schools. You are not a better person by virtue of having gone there. You are not a worse person if you went somewhere else.

I did look at the methodology. It is sound enough, but definitely favors the things WSJ readers prefer.

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for the link but you need to be a subscriber to use it.

Subscribe.

It's worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:This ranking is so random except for the top 1-7. US Naval Academy is at #80 behind many public universities. No logic to its ranking.

There is logic and the rankings are not random. Read the methodology.

That’s like reading the methodology for the National Enquirer or People’s ranking of colleges. Whatever their criteria is, you hane to wonder why accept their methodology and not others. You haven’t answered any question by pointing to their methodology. The question is here is, why their (weird) methodology?

Who is requiring that you or anyone accept their methodology? If you don't agree, move on.

Couldn't agree more

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Anonymous wrote:This ranking is so random except for the top 1-7. US Naval Academy is at #80 behind many public universities. No logic to its ranking.

There is logic and the rankings are not random. Read the methodology.

That’s like reading the methodology for the National Enquirer or People’s ranking of colleges. Whatever their criteria is, you hane to wonder why accept their methodology and not others. You haven’t answered any question by pointing to their methodology. The question is here is, why their (weird) methodology?

Who is requiring that you or anyone accept their methodology? If you don't agree, move on.

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Anonymous wrote:This ranking is so random except for the top 1-7. US Naval Academy is at #80 behind many public universities. No logic to its ranking.

There is logic and the rankings are not random. Read the methodology.

That’s like reading the methodology for the National Enquirer or People’s ranking of colleges. Whatever their criteria is, you hane to wonder why accept their methodology and not others. You haven’t answered any question by pointing to their methodology. The question is here is, why their (weird) methodology?

Anonymous wrote:This ranking is so random except for the top 1-7. US Naval Academy is at #80 behind many public universities. No logic to its ranking.

There is logic and the rankings are not random. Read the methodology.

UC Davis has moved up! That's where I went after getting rejected at UVA and William and Mary back in the 90's (I went to high school in California)

Wow. #1 public is Cornell.

Go Blue!

The two asinine placements that stick out:

Stanford at #7 - easily #1b if not 1a to most teens

Norte Dame in the 30s - obvious anti-Catholic bias, ND is the Catholic Ivy, students live in dorms all 4 years, no Greek life, just a wonderful pure college with overachieving service-minded kids

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Anonymous wrote:Thank you for listing the colleges/universities. What is the methodology used? I am curious. This listing is so different from US News that it will be interesting to compare the two methodologies.

In my humble opinion, these ranking gamers usually follow what their readership thinks (to sell subscriptions). That’s why Harvard is usually tops in any ranking magazines. Can you imagine a magazine ranking Harvard at #80? Nobody will buy that ranking. WSJ, however, can rank Naval Academy at #80. Why? Their readership usually doesn’t consist of military types so it doesn’t give a hoot about service academies.

So there is logic behind these rankings after all. It’s probably driven by subscriptions.

USNews has ranked Princeton over Harvard consistently. Yet Harvard is still the benchmark and most will select Harvard over Princeton. The even sillier one is Stanford. It is the only school that can really rival Harvard, but USNews has it at #7.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow. UVA #9 public

UVA is no. 2 public in America in USN&WR ranking.

Still listed as #3 despite the de-listing of Berkeley. I'm sure no one will apply to Berkeley now that it has be de-listed.